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[skypryn]

Umm...maybe im just stupid for posting this. i just got SAM and with any combination of marks i found substituting standard english for advanced will always give a higher UAI. Are they switched around the wrong way? Maybe thats why it is a little innacurate for some poeple? i cant beleive noone has noticed this!

 

[Winston]

Well most probably not, because Standard obviously scales the same as Advanced, but give us an example of what sort of marks for each subject you're entering in.

 

[honky tonk]

An 86 in Advanced gives me a UAI of 93.70, and with Standard gives a UAI of 94.10.

Perhaps it's because a mark of 86 is a lot harder to get in Standard than it is in Advanced, and would therefore get scaled up more than Advanced?

 

[jm1234567890]

Which is why you must also look at the percentile

 

[Lazarus]

This should be your thought process when working these things out.


Assumption: Marks in Standard and Advanced mean the same thing. It's valid for me to enter the same mark for both and compare the results.

Result: Standard always results in a higher UAI than Advanced.

Conclusion: The result is clearly wrong - therefore the assumption must be wrong.


You're assuming that aligned HSC marks are comparable between courses when they're not. Sorry.

 

[CHUDYMASTER]

Ahh but Lazarus, these are HSC marks, which have ALREADY been aligned.

Seems to me there is a glitch in the system, wouldn't you agree? hehe

 

[Lazarus]

Oh be quiet, chudy.

Aligning doesn't even try to make marks comparable between courses.

 

[CHUDYMASTER]

I know, but it does give a fairer assessment within the course itself.

But I was just making a point about SAM, not my own conspiracies, hehe.

 

[skypryn]

ok so its no error? i should just put in the english im doing?

 

[Beaky]

Yeah its just the majority of candidates in English Advance are around the 80's...

Standard's mean is alot lower...

 

[Toby]

Beaky is right...
look at the percentiles
I think roughly ~1% of standard people get over 80, yet heaps of advanced people get over 80

 

[CHUDYMASTER]

Originally posted by jdsimon
And plus, standard have easier (and therefore more superficial) texts, which aree harder to write a highly sophisticated essay about, but easier to write and average essay about. Personally I think that all this crap about scaling is a dumb thing to be worried about because if you work as hard as you can in a course you will receive your maximum possible mark in it, and you can put that time you spend worrying into study, now if you'll excuse me I'm going to start practicing what I'm preaching, stop wasting time on this message board and do this assignment I'm supposed to be doing.

*case temporarily reopened*
Haha! Yeah right. or rather - WRONG!
You see, scaling IS screwed. IT doesn't matter how hard you work in many subjects such as General maths, INdustrial tech, etc. - the scaling will be low no matter what your mark or percentile simply because it is already branded a "low quality candidature course"- to which Laz will attest.

*closes case once more*

 

[KeypadSDM]

Originally posted by CHUDYMASTER
*case temporarily reopened*
Haha! Yeah right. or rather - WRONG!
You see, scaling IS screwed. IT doesn't matter how hard you work in many subjects such as General maths, INdustrial tech, etc. - the scaling will be low no matter what your mark or percentile simply because it is already branded a "low quality candidature course"- to which Laz will attest.

*closes case once more*

That's only because individuals can't move mountains.

 

[CHUDYMASTER]

Originally posted by KeypadSDM
That's only because individuals can't move mountains.

*cough*

...eh?

 

[Lazarus]

I think I must concede that Keypad is close to the truth.

I've modelled the effect of setting a maximum scaled mark on a candidature of ~5000 students, and it simply doesn't seem possible for a single student (even if it is the top student) to overcome it. However, I'm not entirely certain that it is meant to be able to be overcome.

The entire reason for imposing a maximum scaled mark in the first place was to dissuade very able students from taking courses with less able candidatures (as it would then be easy for them to attain very high scaled marks). The maximum scaled mark is meant to encourage students to take courses at the highest level that they are able to cope with.

I have suggested to the Technical Committee that it is perhaps inappropriate for courses which are not offered at a higher level - their response was that it is an equity issue, and if the procedure is to be applied, it must be applied uniformly for all courses. I agree.