Hamlet and R&G (1 Viewer)

[bitchymcbitch]

anyone who is doing Hamlet and R&G..... post some stuff? i need some...stuff... on these topics...

why is NO ONE doing THEM!!!

 

[Loz#1]

What exactly do you need help with? I did this last year.

 

[t-i-m-m-y]

will post gimme a day or two

i had like a few pages of quotes

yes i read hamlet at least a few times and watched the play lol

and who knows how many times i read R and G

 

[stareathesun]

1. You smell Stacey.
2. Why dont you get those scene summarys off Hennessy?

 

[babygoose!]

i'm doing it term 2 i think..

 

[CHUDYMASTER]

It's an easy duo of texts to do for this elective in my opinion.

Just remember to link the explanation of afterlife, fate, purpose, identity, appearence VS reality and death with the Divine Order (i.e. God at the apex of the universe and social heirarchy) - well for Hamlet anyway.

Then 2.5 centuries later, we come to a world overrun by Existentialism, where there is no certainty about such issues with the erosion of absolute values such as Divine Order, Social Chain of Being, etc. - referring to RnG context.

Context shaping texts is what it's all about, so keep these points in mind. Also, I found the Excel study guide extremely useful for this (the blue one) so go buy it, it ain't that expensive, maybe 11 bucks.

 

[cakes]

I studied Hamlet/Ros and Guil last year... woo, i loved it! you have to focus on contexts shaping values, hence the 2 plays have different views on common issues, or they foreground different issues.

just briefly...

context of hamlet--
christian context, elizabethan period, renaissance, shakespeare was a social conformist, ie he reinforced the social hierarchy of the time, marginalisation of women, monarchy, but he did question classical Humanism and was influenced by skeptical philosopher Montaigne.

context of R+G--
satire boom, theatre of the absurd, existentialism, emergence of postmodernism.

also look at genre:

Hamlet is a revenge tragedy- a male of noble birth brings about the destruction of himself, who must die in the end, because revenge is wrong after all. rev trag assures that there is order and reasoning in the world, which parallels renaissance values

ros/guil is a postmodern play influenced by existentialism and absurdist theatre. absurdism offers an existentialist view of the outside world where there is no true order of meaning, no plot but a series of free floating images. protagonists ros and guil have no control over what happens and are ready to walk off the stage because nothing really happens. so this reflects the contemporary idea that everything has been said and done, has brought about destruction in the 20th century (2 world wars amongst other things) showing stoppards rejection of reasoning and fate. so what you really have in ros and guil is a set of questions...

you'll notice that there are issues that both texts deal with, such as death, "nature", the role of language, but have contrasting values communicated, while there are issues left out by stoppard showing a change in whats relevant due to a shift in context, such as the issue of kingship, and the great individual, which stoppard "challenges" or questions, by having 2 marginalised characters centred, etc.

argh this is kinda long

 

[Loz#1]

Yeah, take cakes notes because she's smart

 

[stareathesun]

she sure is, but its all pretty helpful

 

[bitchymcbitch]

screw u saunders you bum!!

I GAVE HENNESSY THOSE SCENE SUMMARIES!!!!!!

thanks for ure context help cakes..

 

[t-i-m-m-y]

oops i forgot to post in here;

but i've put up my notes; perhaps they may be useful in hamlet and rg; stacks of quotes; and u gotta memorise all 4 pages or whatever of them hehe; i could quote large chunks

http://www.boredofstudies.org/community/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25592

 

[RedStz]

or if any of you guys finding the texts difficult, check here:Hamlet and R& G notes