Hezbollah's Victory (2 Viewers)

[banco55]

Nope. Based on what I've seen. It's possible that Hezbollah plans to fully merge into the Lebanese government (Hezbollah already has elected bodies in parliament, etc). Ideally, with Nasrallah at the helm, or as high up as possible. With the military wing training and later merging into the Army.

Hezbollah, and in extension Lebanon, does not want to war with Israel.


Well, it would be seen as such if Hezbollah was not a competent fighting force, who without a doubt would defend Lebanon against any agression, and weren't working towards the interests of many Lebanese.


Perhaps. But even so, according to polls80% of Lebanese Christians support Hezbollah.

LOL I'm sure the Christian and Sunni community will be really happy with a Government and Army controlled by Hezbollah. Hezbollah may enjoy substansial support from the wider Lebanese community for their conflict with Israel but I don't think many Christians and Sunnis would be happy with a Hezbollah take over of the Governmant and Army.

I agree Hezbollah doesn't want another war with Israel any time soon as a repeat of the 2006 war would cripple the Lebanese economy and Hebollah would lose support.

Hezbollah is a competent militia force but no way could they defend "against any agression". Don't kid yourself. I'm sure Nasrallah is well aware that Hezbollah could not defend against an Israel repeat of the 1982 invasion of Lebanon.

 

[HNAKXR]

With due respects who wants to be associated with a nation filled with sectarian violence? Lebanon is not the "beacon of hope, freedom and democracy" (as cliche as that is) that the State of Israel is.

you do know the UN named Israel as one of the main destinations in the world for trafficked women.

hell of a beacon ;-)

i have yet to see any country fit that description.

 

[JaredR]

you do know the UN named Israel as one of the main destinations in the world for trafficked women.

hell of a beacon ;-)

i have yet to see any country fit that description.

In many respects, the light of Israel has shined brightly for the world to behold. Due in large part to the boundless courage of her defenders, she came into being out of the ashes of the Holocaust, and in spite of a concerted and protracted effort to destroy her. She nurtured and sustained a vibrant democracy even in the face of persistent and existential threats to her security. She prospered economically using very few natural resources, save the natural resourcefulness of her citizenry. She successfully absorbed disproportionately high numbers of refugees with open and loving arms. She has pioneered untold advances in science and technology, while holding fast to a love of art and culture. In these, and many other ways, Israel's accomplishments can be considered A Light Unto The Nations.

http://www.sellingavisionofhope.org...-A-Light-Unto-The-NationsA.html/Itemid,10083/

 

[tinamatouk]

What? Where? Can you source this, please? Sounds inconceivable from a country such as Israel.

I've heard about israel's segregation of the Arabs as well. My friend, who has been to israel countlessly and is jewish tells me about their discrimination against Arabs and their constant degredation. they are abused and forced into unsafe and insecure working conditions.

 

[tinamatouk]

Militarily , more than 800 hizbollocks terrorists were killed. Israel won.

In terms of propaganda, We are yet to find a non arab government who support hizbollah. Israel won.

In terms of peace, so far, more than 100 people have been killed in Lebanon after Israel destruction of Hizbollah and Southern Lebanon. With most of the fightings between Hizbollocks and Sunni militia. Now thats peace for you.

Over all 800 hizbollocks terrorists and more than 1000 terrorist supporting lebanese paid with their lives for the release of 5 Hizbollock terrorists.

Now thats what we call a "sweet deal." You can do it again any time with 500 lebs lives per 1 lebs prisoner. Tee hee

you're disgusting, how can you laugh at a human life being taken away, regardless of who was murdered. life is so precious, yet you laugh with no morals. just a little reminder for you: what goes around, comes around.

 

[tinamatouk]

I think everyone should watch the movie don't mess with the zohan. not that is promotes an optimistic view about the arab nations or challenges stereotypes, yet the underlying message of peace and and being far away from the adversities suffered by Palestians should evoke a sense of acceptance to each other in our developing countries. remember we are all children of God, and in the end we'll end up in the same place.. with Jesus in Heaven as i believe

 

[sam04u]

Militarily , more than 800 hizbollocks terrorists were killed. Israel won.

The number of Hezbollah killed is greaty exaggerated by Israel. Not intentionally however, they have good grounds to believe they have killed 400-800, it's just they don't understand the nature of Hezbollah fighting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxktmwT5s70&feature=related <--- As you can see in this video. Hezbollah doesn't man their rocket launchers after firing from them. They abandon them. Israel, considers they've killed 2-3 Hezbollah everytime they destroy a rocket launcher. Which is ludicrous considering... Hezbollah aint waiting around for that. Moreso, this also proves that the civilian targets Israel attacked, was done intentionally.

In terms of propaganda, We are yet to find a non arab government who support hizbollah. Israel won.

Probably not openly. But I can assure you, most of the world, outside of the media rink we're stuck in. Supports Hezbollah. You don't understand the glee of Russian intelligence when they see Hezbollah dismantle Israeli tanks using their "old" weaponry. Especially in military circles, where Israel brags about their tank the "Merkava" to be the best thing since sliced bread.

Haha, and then Hezbollah owned them.

In terms of peace, so far, more than 100 people have been killed in Lebanon after Israel destruction of Hizbollah and Southern Lebanon. With most of the fightings between Hizbollocks and Sunni militia. Now thats peace for you.

I don't think 100 have died from the Israeli cluster bombs. (Israel illegally dropped 1,000,000 cluster bombs over Lebanon. Highly illegal, highly inhumane, usually killing children.)

Over all 800 hizbollocks terrorists and more than 1000 terrorist supporting lebanese paid with their lives for the release of 5 Hizbollock terrorists.

How many Israelis paid for two Israeli dead bodies? I think 200 or so Israelis died in that conflict. (I might be wrong on that however.)

Now thats what we call a "sweet deal." You can do it again any time with 500 lebs lives per 1 lebs prisoner. Tee hee

Wow, you're a genius AryanBeauty.

LOL I'm sure the Christian and Sunni community will be really happy with a Government and Army controlled by Hezbollah. Hezbollah may enjoy substansial support from the wider Lebanese community for their conflict with Israel but I don't think many Christians and Sunnis would be happy with a Hezbollah take over of the Governmant and Army.

The Lebanese community, will be really happy having authority over Hezbollah, with Hezbollah being apart of the bureacracy, and Lebanon having full control and autonomy over Hezbollah.

Every non-insane political party in Lebanon agrees to that. Including Walid Jumblatt of the PSP (progressive socialist party).

I agree Hezbollah doesn't want another war with Israel any time soon as a repeat of the 2006 war would cripple the Lebanese economy and Hebollah would lose support.

Another war like the 2006 war would not be good for the Lebanese economy. Hezbollah knows that, and Israel knows that. Unfortunately for both sides, Hezbollah is thrice as powerful as in 2006. With the new support, and time to train new men, and further train the existing force. This was seen in may 2008, when Hezbollah swiftly captured the city of Beirut in a few short hours.

Moreso, Hezbollah would not allow for another confrontation like in 2006. Hezbollah now has openly stated many of their launching sites, having bought land exclusively for Hezbollah, and calculated as best as possible with ballistic weaponry, where the targets of these rockets will be.

Don't kid yourself. I'm sure Nasrallah is well aware that Hezbollah could not defend against an Israel repeat of the 1982 invasion of Lebanon.

I'm not kidding myself here. Hezbollah is practically non-existant in the air. If Israel attempted to attack on the ground, where Hezbollah has the advantage of terrain, tunnel networks, experience, and also fighting specialty. The results would be in favour of Hezbollah.

I've heard about israel's segregation of the Arabs as well. My friend, who has been to israel countlessly and is jewish tells me about their discrimination against Arabs and their constant degredation. they are abused and forced into unsafe and insecure working conditions.

Well, lets be fair. Israel's disrimination - and forcing of Arabs into unsafe working condition was calculated in a way to make it not seem obvious.

When the state of Israel was conceived and it began occupying land from Palestine, and at times it's other neighbours. The Arab population although dwindling in some areas, boombed in others. The national language of Israel was swiftly announced as Hebrew, and thus in order to get into business you had to have a good grasp of Hebrew. Something that would prove difficult for any working aged men, and especially women to attain. Basically, the system initially favoured the non-arabs, and with the open discrimination, checkpoints, and other such methods put into place. It became harder and harder for arabs to get the good jobs.

Then with the installation of a hard right-winged government, it's not hard to see why Arab Israelis are living in poor working and living conditions.

 

[sam04u]

I think everyone should watch the movie don't mess with the zohan. not that is promotes an optimistic view about the arab nations or challenges stereotypes, yet the underlying message of peace and and being far away from the adversities suffered by Palestians should evoke a sense of acceptance to each other in our developing countries. remember we are all children of God, and in the end we'll end up in the same place.. with Jesus in Heaven as i believe

I thought "you don't mess with the Zohan" was awesome.
I recommend it.

 

[schooliskool]

OHHH GREAT HERE WE GO ANOTHER FINATIC POSTING RUBBISH ON HEZBOLLAH WELL REALLY I THINK YOU SHOULD KNOW NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR UR RAMBLING ON HEZBOLLAH OHK THERE'S NOTHING SPECIAL ABOUT A BUNCH OF PSYCHOTIC BRAIN WASHED FINATICS TAKING HALF OF SOUTH LEBANON AND CALLING THEM SELVES LEBANESE AND FOR THE PEOPLE WHEN ALL THEY DO IS SUBMIT TO IRANS BEHIND THE SCENES POWER PLAY LIKE PUPPETS AND THEN GO AND CALL THEMSELVES THE PARTY OF god im sure god tOLD you's one day to make a group of guerilla fighters and believe in the anihalation of ISRAEL and jst launch rockets at them.

AND ONE OTHER THING LEBANON FOR LEBANESE NOT SYRIA,NOT IRAN NO LIL PUPPETS (hezbollah) WHO THINK THEY MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD. and i think by now if u havnt realised most people dnt even knoe what this conversation is about on hezbollah so go post your lil comments that u think are trying to change the world on:

on sum terrorist website ohk cuase thats all hezbollah is. SO POST UR COMMENTS SOME HWRE ELSE.
TRAITORS to Lebanon and the lebanese people iranian pets.

 

[sam04u]

OHHH GREAT HERE WE GO ANOTHER FINATIC POSTING RUBBISH ON HEZBOLLAH

I'm not a fanatic. If you examine my posts in this thread and others, you'll find I'm neither a fanatic, nor am I posting "rubbish" or untruths. As far as I know, in all truthfulness, everything I've said thus far in this thread is a truth.

WELL REALLY I THINK YOU SHOULD KNOW NO ONE WANTS TO HEAR UR RAMBLING ON HEZBOLLAH

Actually this has been quite a popular thread. As soon as other posters lose interest in this thread, and stop making new contentions for me to refute, the thread will sink and be forgotten as all threads tend too.

OHK THERE'S NOTHING SPECIAL ABOUT A BUNCH OF PSYCHOTIC BRAIN WASHED FINATICS

Now you see that's a point I'm going to have to refute.
In what way can Hezbollah be classified as psychotic? The only thing which can be border line classified as such is Hezbollah's will to fight irrespective of the fact that they're the lesser of two entities in the region, and irrespective of the fact that there is a high probability they, or someone they know, will be killed in the confrontation.

As I have said copious times in the past in this thread though. When the options available to you are "resist" or "cease and desist", one can only choose the former.

TAKING HALF OF SOUTH LEBANON AND CALLING THEM SELVES LEBANESE

Hezbollah is Lebanese. Hezbollah never forcibly took any land in the south of Lebanon, or any other part of Lebanon. Infact as was seen recently Hezbollah purchased more land which is now known to be "Hezbollah fighting land", in that there are no civilians. Hezbollah is not scared of a confrontation with Israel if it comes to that. What they do fear however, is Israel bombing civilian neighbourhoods in order to pressure Hezbollah to cease it's resistance.

AND FOR THE PEOPLE WHEN ALL THEY DO IS SUBMIT TO IRANS BEHIND THE SCENES POWER PLAY LIKE PUPPETS AND THEN GO AND CALL THEMSELVES THE PARTY OF god

That point has been made several times in this thread, and everytime I put out the question it was left unanswered, or not answered coherently or rationally.
Hezbollah has done nothing for Iran. On the contrary, it's Iran who has done something for Hezbollah, and by extension Lebanon. Hezbollah has done nothing in the interest of Iran, they've never attacked an Iranian designated target, they've never issued an Iranian inspired order. Hezbollah has done nothing for Iran. Infact, If I was an Iranian tax payer, I would seriously question the Iranian government on helping to arm Hezbollah.

im sure god tOLD you's one day to make a group of guerilla fighters and believe in the anihalation of ISRAEL and jst launch rockets at them.

You really do not understand the hypocrisy in what you just said. I doubt you will be able to comprehend it even after I point it out. Israel's claim to the Palestinian city of Jerusalem, is that "it says so in my religious book", which is laughable. It's not the Lebanese or Palestinian resistance that are saying "God told us", it's the Israelis and Zionists who are.

*snip*

*facepalms*
Hezbollah is not a puppet to anyone. As I've stated in the past they've not acted in the interest of anyone but themselves, and Lebanon. It's the pro-American Lebanese government that has acted in the interest of Israel and the United States. So if you're going to accuse anyone of being a marionette - point the finger at the Lebanese government.

 

[ang3l]

I couldn't believe how far the media will go to get their ratings..

Supports your argument Sam.

It's a must:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=249JaIaubVw



This is also good:
http://informationclearinghouse.info/article14376.htm

 

[banco55]

Another war like the 2006 war would not be good for the Lebanese economy. Hezbollah knows that, and Israel knows that. Unfortunately for both sides, Hezbollah is thrice as powerful as in 2006. With the new support, and time to train new men, and further train the existing force. This was seen in may 2008, when Hezbollah swiftly captured the city of Beirut in a few short hours.

Moreso, Hezbollah would not allow for another confrontation like in 2006. Hezbollah now has openly stated many of their launching sites, having bought land exclusively for Hezbollah, and calculated as best as possible with ballistic weaponry, where the targets of these rockets will be.


I'm not kidding myself here. Hezbollah is practically non-existant in the air. If Israel attempted to attack on the ground, where Hezbollah has the advantage of terrain, tunnel networks, experience, and also fighting specialty. The results would be in favour of Hezbollah.
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Hezbollah is at best back to where they were in 2006 militarily. The Beirut takeover proves little as there was no real resistance.

All the rockets Hebollah uses are pretty crude and you can't estimate with any degree of certainty where they will land.

The scary thing is the Lebanese could actually start to believe (like you apparently do) that Hezbollah could repel an Israeli invasion which could make them more willing to tolerate Hezbollah provoking Israel. No serious military analayst believes that Hezbollah could repel an Israeli invasion. In a strange way it reminds me of the palestinians who thought the PLO could win in a fight against Jordan's army. We all know how that turned out. If the Syrian army with heavy weaponry couldn't stop Israel invading in '82 what makes you think a milita with no tanks etc. could stop an Israeli invasion?

 

[schooliskool]

peace is only one bullet away.

one man hassan nasrallah(satans puppet) = one bullet in the head= peace in lebanon = PRICELESS.

lebanon for lebanese christian and muslim along as we are united and if it means getting rid of a few people on both sides becuase they cant conform to the freedom and democracy that lebanon has been wanting for so long then so be it.

i would say peace be upon you.but seeing how ur have a communist logo u therefore u probably worship satan lol you dnt undertstand how much i find people like you funny and a person that pisses me off ahwell in the end i was born in australia so im australian and in my heart i will never forget thosewho died for the sacrifice that one day lebanon could be restored to its good sdays where Beirut was once described as the Paris of the middle-east.

 

[schooliskool]

also that was my last comment to you SAM4U

 

[sam04u]

Hezbollah is at best back to where they were in 2006 militarily. The Beirut takeover proves little as there was no real resistance.

You've got no idea what you're talking about.
The July war in 2006, acted as a recruitment campaign for Hezbollah. They've grown in number atleast three times since the beginning of that war. The only thing which adds credibility to your argument at all, is the loss of Imad Mugniyah (who was without a question a great military tactician).

But as Nasrallah himself has stated (a man not known for spreading untruths) there have been many, just as competent, who have stepped up after his execution "outside of the battlefield". An act of terrorism.

All the rockets Hebollah uses are pretty crude and you can't estimate with any degree of certainty where they will land.

You're right.

The scary thing is the Lebanese could actually start to believe (like you apparently do) that Hezbollah could repel an Israeli invasion

I know Israel. I know the Israeli press.
If they invaded Lebanon (a ground invasion) they would as a result lose many of their tanks and young men. The Israeli government at that time would have to answer "why?"

A war of attrition on that scale. Where Israel is involved in a ground attack against Hezbollah. Would be devastating for Israel. And something which will be surprising for you to hear. Unlike the others wars currently going on in the middle east, the number of military casualties on both sides will quickly start to even up. Don't for a second forget who invented the IED's which were later exported to Iraq. Don't forget Hezbollah being able to easily disable the Israeli tanks, and also an Israeli warship.

Hezbollah is not a band of men who live in the mountains with Kalashnikovs.

No serious military analayst believes that Hezbollah could repel an Israeli invasion.

Hezbollah's defence isn't built like an impenetrable brick wall. It's more like a trampoline. The further you come in, the more pressure there is for you to be pushed out.

Hezbollah militia killed my uncle in Lebanon. He was decapitated as he had refused to give them his land. I never personally knew him (as I have been in Australia all my life - I love democracy and freedom, something people take for granted in society today, especially those who parade around with communist and socialist flags, and yet somehow lack the ability to actually LIVE in such countries, opting to reap the benefits of democracy and criticise it from the shadows...), but it seems like a waste of life to me at least...

What did your family do? Did they contact the authorities on the matter? or even Hezbollah? Hezbollah is not an organisation that goes around assassinating people for their land. If that were the case, I assure you it would be the most well known fact about Hezbollah. We wouldn't know Hezbollah through it's resistance, we wouldn't know Hezbollah as a political entity in Lebanon. We'd know Hezbollah as the organisation decapitating civilians for their land. The Lebanese military would not stand for Hezbollah decapitating civilians for their land. So based on what you're saying, and known fact, that story is a distortion of the truth. Either intentionally or unintentionally.

Also, socialism and democracy are not mutually exclusive. :mad1: Another thing which you mention is Hezbollah being undemocratic. You've obviously not been reading the tone of the messages I've been making in this thread. I support Hezbollah fully merging into the government and the military of Lebanon. But at the moment that has proven to be impossible with the current Lebanese administration. The biggest threat at the moment to Lebanese sovereignty is not from foreign entities, but rather from within Lebanon. The Lebanese government which moved to disable Hezbollah's communication system on may of this year. A system crucial to Lebanon's defence.

sam04u, as the great resourceful individual you are, with your many facts which you mysteriously do not source (a despicable act in the eyes of a post-modern historian) and the abundance of knowledge which you PRESUME as undying fact - did you ever consider those who have been directly affected by the entire conflict? Are their voices not important enough to be discussed in your justifications of war and brutality?

I have. But when the only available options to you are "resist" or "cease and desist", one can only ever pick the former.

one man hassan nasrallah(satans puppet) = one bullet in the head= peace in lebanon = PRICELESS.

You don't really believe that do you?
The last thing we need is a civil war in Lebanon. Hezbollah is a popular entity in Lebanon. Nasrallah being killed "for the cause" or being martyred. Would inspire almost all of Lebanon to side with Hezbollah. Which would in effect, make Hezbollah's popularity, size and influence rocket. Not only that, but also the rest of the Arab world would be fulminating. Nasrallah is more popular in many middle eastern countries than their own government. Basically, killing Nasrallah would make Hezbollah more than 10 times more powerful than it is currently. Even Israelis would be sad at the death of Nasrallah...

...its good days where Beirut was once described as the Paris of the middle-east.

So do I. But I don't want it to be the Tel Aviv of the middle east. The middle east already has one of those.

 

[ari89]

The way you romanticise Hezbollah is quite disgusting.

Also, socialism and democracy are not mutually exclusive. :mad1:

You sport a Communist flag and sig not a Socialist flag. I.e. representative of post 1917 Lenin/Bolshevik Communism. That and democracy are pretty much mutually exclusive and most educated Marxists stress this point.

It's nice to see how you are always ready to support destructive inhumane forces

 

[sam04u]

Ahh... my long post all gone.

Well I'll summarise the points I made.

1) Hezbollah is worthy of praise/romanticism. They're a small organisation that fought the oppressive and evil Israel and won. Even though the odds were against them.
2) Socialism is not ME to Democracy.
3) Marxism/Leninism has Democratic "elements"
4) As Putin said to Bush in response to Western Democracy. "We would not like to have the kind of democracy they have in Iraq".

 

[fatimab]

Indeed it was a hezboallah victory!!

 

[ari89]

lol sam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book

 

[schooliskool]

i love your sources a dead communist guy a finatic who wears the same clothes AND HAS HEAD THE SIZE OF A PUMPKIN and THE BEST OF ALL EVRYONE PLEASE CLAP FOR THIS GENIUS wait wait wait............


YOUTUBE, my you finished school in 2006 and six and the best you can do is use youtube and sum dead guy to quote your point but unkoe ill quote from a a president God bless his soul.

BASHIR GEMAYEL, he quoted one time that jst becuase the civil war is over, its not over and one day it will come again and this time they (the people who believe in a true cuase of peace for the country will finish off the job that was started .)

and please SAM4U PLEASE GET A SOURCE ON UR PARTY BETTER THAN YOUTUBE how about look for the TAIF ACCORD might open your mind on how SYRIA WAS GIVEN THE POWER TO DISSARM ALL MILITIAS IN LEBANON FROM "lebanese forces, hezbollah, PLO,and all the other miltias that existed yet why till today you still have your weapons nad carry them in the streets. "oh becuase we are fighting against israel for a cuase" unless lebanons army is manning those rockets into israel which i dnt think they would do. you have no rights to start your campaign becuase that becomes an act of TERRORISM.