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Il congiuntivo/The subjunctive (1 Viewer)

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In the other thread, someone asked about 'il congiuntivo' and wanted some help so i thought i better fulfil my role as a moderator and help! So here goes!!
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The congiuntivo, or subjunctive mood is used to express opinion, uncertainty, possibility, personal feeling rather than facts. It conveys the point of view of the speaker in a way which is no forceful, but leaves the options open for other points of view.

The subjunctive is often used in clauses that depend from a verb which conveys these feelings and idea such as
credere
pensare
immaginare
sperare
volere

Usually these verbs are followed by che, which introduces the dependent clause (A dependent clause is a clause that cannot stand alone, that doesn't have a complete meanig on its own)

Here are some examples using the subjunctive

Penso che sia bello visitare altri paese
I think it is interesting to visit other countries

Penso che la vita in Australia sia pi tranquila che in Italia
I think that life in Australia is quieter than life in italy

Penso che la cosa pi bella sia entrare nell'atteggiamento
I think that the best thing might be to take on the attitude

Mi sembra che ci sia anche un proverbio...
I think there might be a proverb...

Credo che Roma abbiaun fascino speciale la notte
I think that Rome might have a special appeal at night

Non credo che si possa fumare
I don't think that one might be allowed to smoke

Non credo che si possa andare in treno
I don't think that one could go by train

Non mi pare che si possa ascoltare la radio
I don't think that one might listen to the radio



here are the sunjunctive forms of essere and avere:

essere:
io - sia
tu - sia
lui/lei/Lei - sia

noi - siamo
voi - siate
loro - siano

avere:
io - abbia
tu - abbia
lui/lei/Lei - abbia

noi - abbiamo
voi - abbiate
loro - abbiano
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Here is a website that probably makes more sense than i do!

http://www.aaresoft.com/italian/italian56.htm

and another:

http://www.abavagada.net/cgi-bin/vocalist.cgi?language=italiang&wordlist=The Subjunctive Mood
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Thats all for now... If you have any questions or more to add please post and also if there is some other grammar thing that you would like me to do something like this with, please ask because it forces me to dig up all my italian work and relearn things which i need to do before uni starts!

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oh and another thing to note - if you can avvoid using the sunjunctive, do!

Instead of Penso che, use Secondo me (no subjunctive required!)
 

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never use present subjunctive after 'se'

hmmm i sent grammatical notes which included il congiuntivo to this site and they still haven't posted it up!
lazy bum! hehehe
 

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I'll try and get an admin to put an italian section on the main page and then i think they can be added
 

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yeah that would be great. unfortunately our my computer is locked up in storage now so if i need to send the notes in again, it might take another 6 months lol.

off the top of my head, the following are what i recommend students to know thoroughly:
- present
- passato prossimo
- conditional
- gerund (not comulsary but VERY easy!)
- imperfect
- future perfect
- imperative

meh i'm sure there's more but i can't rememebr names! help me out! :)

notes:
should -> dovere
dovrei mangiare - i should eat, dovresti magiare - you should eat ecc...

i have been studying a lot -> studio molto, ho studiato molto
 

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NONONONO not ho studiato....
that means i have studied...past tense....!!!!
ok i NEED to know, if you say something like this...
saro` a bologna...(and you know what that means) how tthe hell do i say it!! aaaaaaaaaaaaah
heres that in context...
spero che l'anno prossimo andro` in italia x 10 giorni!!!! e vero!! e saro` a bologna, that means posso andare anche a ferrara
 

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lol i know ho studiato is in past tense. to 'have been doing something" doesn't exist in italian so you use past or present instead. :)

you're probably right...maybe you say "staro' a bologna"?
spero che l'anno prossimo io vada in italia per 10 giorni.. staro' a bologna quindi POSSO andare anche a ferrara --> just wondering, does posso become io possa because the first part is not certain i.e. io vada
 

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posso doesnt become possa
and a better word than essere or stare a bologna is rimanere
 

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Originally posted by Soma
posso doesnt become possa
and a better word than essere or stare a bologna is rimanere
it doesn't? what does it become? i got possa straight out of a grammatical book.
 

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no, possa is the subjunctive form but in that case potere remains in the indicative form.
 

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lol oops i should read my past post before i comment..thought you were saying possa wasn't subjunctive! :p thanks for that clarification.. always had me wondering..
 

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just use future for everything...saves time worrying about subjunctive
soma, what are you doing this year???
cya guys
i loooove my uni course!!!
 

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but you can impress the marker more if you use the subjunctive

yeah hey, uni is great so far!
 

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Originally posted by Kakie
just use future for everything...saves time worrying about subjunctive
soma, what are you doing this year???
cya guys
i loooove my uni course!!!
B.Arts in Communication (Journalism) at UTS
 

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Is there a future form of the subjunctive or do u just use the present tense?
 

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It isnt
spero che l'anno prossimo io vada in italia per 10 giorni
its
spero di andare in italia l'anno prossimo per 10 giorni
 

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xo` quando c'e` una preposizione, la situazione e` diverso!!
spero che mostra un desiderio, e puoi usare o il congiutivo, o il futuro
spero di vuole l'infinativo - non so xke`, e` cosi, e chi siamo di chiederlo?
 

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1985guy said:
It isnt
spero che l'anno prossimo io vada in italia per 10 giorni
its
spero di andare in italia l'anno prossimo per 10 giorni
yes the second sounds better, since it's the same subject in both, you don't need to repeat the 'i'
 

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