• Congratulations to the Class of 2024 on your results!
    Let us know how you went here
    Got a question about your uni preferences? Ask us here

Internal Rankings Question(s) (1 Viewer)

AtlasX

Member
Joined
Oct 12, 2013
Messages
59
Gender
Male
HSC
2014
I've heard that the actual marks do not count, but rather your rank in the class. If this is the case, how does the Board know if it's a Band 5/6 class? For e.g. I could be ranked first, but the mark could be 87

And one last question, I have an sor test that's worth 15-20% (I'm not too sure how much exactly)
My last sor assessment didn't go so well, I got 72% (which was worth 15%). If I just pass this assessment, are my B6 chances over?
 

InsoulvencyReaper

Existential Crisis
Joined
Aug 13, 2012
Messages
800
Gender
Female
HSC
2013
ranks help with what HSC mark you get. You could top your grade in the HSC exam having come 4th in internals. The person who came first will get your mark. Etc etc
 

Hopp

Member
Joined
Jan 16, 2014
Messages
75
Gender
Male
HSC
2014
Your internal rankings determines what HSC mark you receive, like caseyjbyrne commented, if you rank 2nd you will get the 2nd mark.
I am not 100% that is how it works exactly, so feel free to correct me but I am fairly certain that is how it works.

As for SOR, you should be able to mathematically calculate if you are still able to receive a band 6, as long as you don't flunk it you should still be able to achieve a band 6.
 

D94

New Member
Joined
Oct 5, 2011
Messages
4,423
Gender
Male
HSC
N/A
BOS does not, I repeat, does not, use ranks to determine your HSC mark. It is far more elaborate and fair than just assigning the n'th ranked student with the n'th ranked mark. Being 2% away from first place will put you in a better position than being 20% away from first, yet you are ranked the same in both scenarios. You need as many school marks as possible, then perform as well as possible in the HSC exams, individually and as a cohort.

I have explained it numerous times on BoS, so I'll quote myself from another thread:
You will not get the 16th highest HSC exam mark for your assessment mark. You assessment mark will, however, be the 16th highest, just like in school - your raw school mark is the 16th highest.

Your raw school mark will undergo moderation based on your cohort's HSC exam performance. The mark that they determine through this process is your assessment mark.

If there was ever a simple explanation...: you and every other student will do assessments and at the end, receive a school mark. This is a percentage mark, based on your performance and weightings for each assessment. Now, BOS needs to compare this mark to the school marks of students in other schools. But just comparing that singular mark to another student who did different assessments is unfair and may not be accurate. So, BOS must have a control assessment, some assessment which every student in the state does. This is obviously the HSC exams. But BOS just doesn't take the 16th highest exam mark and gives you that mark. This doesn't reflect your performance throughout the year, it just reflects the cohort's performance in one exam. Therefore, BOS requires some moderation process to fairly allocate assessment marks to students.

In this process of moderation, there are plenty of elaborate and complex calculations. BOS compares the mean/average of your raw school marks to the HSC exam marks for your school cohort. They then give first place the highest HSC exam mark as their assessment mark, and last place, the lowest HSC exam mark (or it may be slightly higher depending on further calculations). This means ALL assessment marks are within the range of the highest/lowest HSC exam marks. No one can achieve a higher or lower assessment mark respectively. This is now where your school performance is vital. Whilst many disregard school performance and just think about ranks, this is where many students misunderstand the system - there's way too much emphasis on ranks, and not enough on actual marks. BOS looks at how much you deviate from the rank above and below you. They factor this into calculating your assessment mark. For example, coming 16th by 5% puts you in a relatively better position than coming 16th by 15%. In both cases, you are ranked 16th, but the former will generally receive a higher assessment mark if all other variables are kept the same. Before moderation, your school marks are relative to your school. When BOS determines your assessment marks, these will reflect your school performance relative to the state. Essentially, you want as many marks as possible, and be as close to the mark of first place as possible.

At no stage does BOS look at your rank, unless you are first or last ranked. BOS merely looks at your mark differential and factors this into a convoluted set of calculations which you do not need to worry about.

To maximise your marks, you and your cohort must perform well in the HSC exams. IF all your HSC exam marks are within 100 down to say 90, then ALL assessment marks and thus ALL final HSC marks are within the range of 100 down to 90.

The calculations for the ATAR are completely different. Again, nothing you need to worry about - just do as well as possible in school and in the HSC exams.
 

D94

New Member
Joined
Oct 5, 2011
Messages
4,423
Gender
Male
HSC
N/A
And one last question, I have an sor test that's worth 15-20% (I'm not too sure how much exactly)
My last sor assessment didn't go so well, I got 72% (which was worth 15%). If I just pass this assessment, are my B6 chances over?
No, your "chances" are not over. You still need as many school marks as possible, but now more importantly, you and your cohort have to perform well in the HSC exam. If your cohort's HSC exam marks range from 90 to 95, then all your assessment marks will moderate to be within 90 and 95. Therefore no one will get a mark lower than 90 (and no one higher than 95).
 

Users Who Are Viewing This Thread (Users: 0, Guests: 1)

Top