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It's still the highest percentage of all of them, and then to the OP, only 19% a clear minority did 10 units.
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Is just 10 units too much of a risk (1 Viewer)
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The stats back it up however.
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Someone doesn't understand the difference between correlation and causation.
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No actually, they say that those who did 12 units, and were good at those 12 units, did well.
It also says that those who did 10 units, and were good at those 10, did well.
You're misinterpreting the results. There may also be a trend between subject choice and number of units. You cannot tell from this data.
It also says that those who did 10 units, and were good at those 10, did well.
You're misinterpreting the results. There may also be a trend between subject choice and number of units. You cannot tell from this data.
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LOL
I think it's about the time for you to give up, Shadowdude.
Majority of people who gained higher ATARs did more than 10 units=/=studying more than 10 units increases the chance of geting higher ATAR
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Have you ever considered:
A) That the best students in the state are also over-achievers who don't do 12+ units because they're afraid of failing, but cos they love the subjects too much to drop any of them? I know a girl who is currently doing Medicine at UNSW who did 14 units for her HSC simply because she couldn't choose which course to demote.
B) That a lot of people do 11 units, not 12+, so that if they fail a 2-unit subject it still half counts, and hence it's not a complete insurance policy as you're advocating? Try adding those stats to your 19%.
C) That, like one of the posters above, a lot of schools force their students to do at least 12 units, whether they want to or not?
D) That your attitude is self-reinforcing on a state-wide scale?
E) That 43% of all statistics are made up and that 87% of people misconstrue simple statistics for their own purposes?
F) Removed
G) All of the above?
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I don't think the UAC would lie about their own stuff, and besides, it's how I interpreted the statistics - it's like English really, different readings and all. Besides, people who do 11 units are also counted in the statistics as well.
Besides, if I was going purely on statistics - it is very obvious to me that the best students do more than 10 units.
Also really, if you're trying to win a debate - flaming the other person isn't helping, it's a sign of weakness and you losing the argument.
Besides, if I was going purely on statistics - it is very obvious to me that the best students do more than 10 units.
Also really, if you're trying to win a debate - flaming the other person isn't helping, it's a sign of weakness and you losing the argument.
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Your argument isn't convincing me, sorry. Prove to us that the people who did 12 units received the higher ATARs in the 99.xx bracket and the people who did 10 units received the lover ATARs in that bracket. Then I might believe you.
EDIT: By your assumption, you too won't get one of the best ATARs, because you do 14 units and not 12.
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Except your statistical interpretation is wrong, bud.
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Fail - UMAT section 1 and stats
You have included your own assumptions in your analysis.
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OK, I think it's time for some deconstruction.
My insulting you makes me twice as happy as I would normally be, as, whilst victory is great and all, rubbing it in your nose is even more fun! Yay!
Not at all. "Interpretation" in English is about deciphering the emotions and symbolism purposely hidden within a text by the author. "Interpretation" in statistics is about making meaning out of numbers. Entirely seperate ideas. I hope for your sake you don't do anything math-related at uni, cos you will fail. Hard.
No. It could well turn out that, across the state, only 10% of students do 10 units. Now, if we have 19% of students with the top marks doing likewise, that would be a case of overepresentation, and given enough trials, it would then be reasonable to assume that the better students more often do 10 units, not 12.
Wrong again! (wow, you're on a roll buddy)
My insulting you makes me twice as happy as I would normally be, as, whilst victory is great and all, rubbing it in your nose is even more fun! Yay!
10 units is perfectly safe.
I did 10 units and so did many many of my friends. In fact, probably 95 percent of my friends at school did 10 units because they couldn't be bothered doing more. And of those 95 percent that did 10 units, about 95 percent of them got above 99.
the people who said shadowdude doesn't understand cause and correlation are correct...
and back to the original question.
10 units is perfectly safe because you can screw up quite a lot of tests and still come back strong if you pick up your game. i myself was coming bottom 5 in chemistry and modern history until mid way through the year.
I did 10 units and so did many many of my friends. In fact, probably 95 percent of my friends at school did 10 units because they couldn't be bothered doing more. And of those 95 percent that did 10 units, about 95 percent of them got above 99.
the people who said shadowdude doesn't understand cause and correlation are correct...
and back to the original question.
10 units is perfectly safe because you can screw up quite a lot of tests and still come back strong if you pick up your game. i myself was coming bottom 5 in chemistry and modern history until mid way through the year.
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just work hard, and it won't be a risk
I see what you mean, but the people who get the 99+ ATAR's with 12 units are very good at the subjects in the first place.
If you do really well in ten units, its much better than going O.K. in 12 units
If you're confident in your units, I can't actually understand why someone would choose to study more than 10. Yeah, there are 'risks' associated, but only if you are not confident in what you're setting out to do.
I did 10 units in almost purely creative arts subjects. People told me I was crazy. I almost had to change schools because they wouldn't allow it. But I did well regardless.
I did 10 units in almost purely creative arts subjects. People told me I was crazy. I almost had to change schools because they wouldn't allow it. But I did well regardless.
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I used to do 14 units in Prelim and dropped to 11 units for the HSC. Trust me you can study way better if you dont have one extra subject to worry about. Its safe to do 10 units that way you concentrate more on your all your subjects + you get a lot of frees and they help out quite a bit. Our skools career adviser told everyone to do 10 units unless they want to do extensions.
So do 10 units, you'll be fine
So do 10 units, you'll be fine