Is Kevin Rudd Too Right Wing For the Labor Party? (1 Viewer)

[bshoc]

Yeah, because restricting or outlawing genuine market services is heaps right wing.

The market must co-exist within some minumum level of social decency and responsibility, hired assassins and monopolies could be considered free market outcomes, yet they are certainly detrimental to the free market, the market musn't collapse in on its own freedom.

 

[dion7789]

No i dont think he is too right wing...i think he is going to bring a lot of god values to the table

 

[cowface]

We need to define "Right Wing" for this discussion so we can base our views on an established set of knowledge. Lenin and his Socialists were considered "Left" wing as recently as 1994, yet the recent KGB archives and census have redefined what "Left" was, as we understood it then.

Who cares what the Soviets thinks? To them, private farming was probably considered far-right.

The Left: Killed 62 million (in concentration camps)
The Right: Killed 9 million (in concentration camps)

If you're going to put it that way, how many lives were improved because "TEH LEFT" provided public education and healthcare?

 

[Tamazoid]

The electoral reality the ALP faces is one where Green preferences will overwhelmingly flow back to Labor anyway, so Rudd is right in seeking to reach out to the conservative swinging voters and in attempting to secure FF preferences. In the Victorian election, the Liberal primary was stagnant but it was because they got most of the Family First preferences (and some Nats votes in semi urban seats) that they made a gain in 2PP terms.

It'll also help remove the Coalition's control of the Senate.

 

[Rafy]

The gospel according to Kevin

Abbott to tackle Rudd on faith

 

[Xayma]

The market must co-exist within some minumum level of social decency and responsibility, hired assassins and monopolies could be considered free market outcomes, yet they are certainly detrimental to the free market, the market musn't collapse in on its own freedom.

Actually monopolies only become a large problem where there exists partial regulation. Under a completely free market smaller services can steal the market from the monopoly. Partial regulation, such as intellectual property, creates the situation for monopolies.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

There are zero, repeat, zero common ideals or logical thought processes between the left and christianity, anything left is the very opposite of christianity.

lol

I could take the golden rule and point out that in general, most people if in a disadvantaged situation would rather a leftist system than one on the right. Capitalism appeals to selfishness to achieve what it sets out to do.

Under a completely free market smaller services can steal the market from the monopoly.

And get bought out, or start a price war with the larger company?

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To answer the topic at hand, he's not too right for labor. If anything, if labor want to win they're going to have to appeal to the right because that's where our country most definately sits at the moment. As for his religious ideals, there are many highly religious people in parliament already, we've had many religious leaders and we are a christian nation.

 

[withoutaface]

The market must co-exist within some minumum level of social decency and responsibility, hired assassins and monopolies could be considered free market outcomes, yet they are certainly detrimental to the free market, the market musn't collapse in on its own freedom.

Hired assassins interfere with other people's right to live, and monopolies tend to be far more rampant when there's government regulation.

 

[cowface]

Actually monopolies only become a large problem where there exists partial regulation. Under a completely free market smaller services can steal the market from the monopoly. Partial regulation, such as intellectual property, creates the situation for monopolies.

Good luck trying to setup a supermarket chain to compete with Coles and Wollies.

 

[withoutaface]

If you had the capital, time and commitment you could easily. Otherwise there are plenty of corner stores who sell the same products for more than Coles or Woolies and are still reasonably successful.

 

[ihavenothing]

Isn't Latham the only leader the ALP has had who wasn't religious?

Absolutely not Bob Hawke was an avowed atheist, along with Gough Whitlam and Bill Hayden who are Humanist

 

[cowface]

If you had the capital, time and commitment you could easily.

If I had the capital, time, and commitment I wouldn't setup a supermarket. I don't think many would.

But I don't have the capital; my freedom in this free society is actually limited. I don't want to imagine what would happen if you abolished money redistribution. But I don't have to cause Libertarians are over represented on this site and on the net in general.

 

[withoutaface]

If I had the capital, time, and commitment I wouldn't setup a supermarket. I don't think many would.

Why not? A supermarket is as legitimate a business as any other, and if you had a new idea to make you better than Coles or Woolworths it'd be very worthwhile.

Secondly, a lack of capital does not restrict your freedom, unless that has come as a result of taxation, robbery or similar.

 

[ZabZu]

Bob Hawke was 'jewish' (In that he sometimes wore the Kippah).

Bob Hawke is a Protestant. You probably think he's Jewish because he was very supportive of both the jewish community and Israel.

 

[wheredanton]

Bob Hawke is a Protestant. You probably think he's Jewish because he was very supportive of both the jewish community and Israel.

I'm not really sure. I simply heard he has worn the Kippah before and yes I know he supports the Jews in Australia.

 

[ihavenothing]

Bob Hawke is a Protestant. You probably think he's Jewish because he was very supportive of both the jewish community and Israel.

No he was agnostic/atheist

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Bob Hawke is a Protestant.

lol no, you fail.

 

[Riet]

The ALP are still considered centre left?

 

[ZabZu]

No he was agnostic/atheist

Ok your right but he was born a Christian.