Islamic Sex Education in Australia (1 Viewer)

[The Brucemaster]

Just think of it this way:

If they are all not going to have sex with women until they're married its more for the rest of us...

 

[gerhard]

pls explain

 

[ihavenothing]

As long as they shave or wax, thats fine with me.

 

[katie_tully]

Re: Islamic sex education

Who. Cares.

If they're taught not to have premartial sex, then they can't get STDS. If they only marry within their communities and they DO have STDS, then theyre just keeping it all within the family.

It's quite simple. If you would prefer your child to be educated on the dangers of unprotected sex, then I suggest you teach your child that yourself.
If you dont want your child to learn, send them to a Muslim school.
If you're not Muslim, I fail to see the issue.
If you're not a Muslim, I cant understand why you would want to teach at a Muslim school anyway. I dont know if you know, but you actually have to prove you're a Christian to work in Christian schools. Written references from your local pastor are often required.

 

[banco55]

Re: Islamic sex education

Who. Cares.

If they're taught not to have premartial sex, then they can't get STDS. If they only marry within their communities and they DO have STDS, then theyre just keeping it all within the family.

It's quite simple. If you would prefer your child to be educated on the dangers of unprotected sex, then I suggest you teach your child that yourself.
If you dont want your child to learn, send them to a Muslim school.
If you're not Muslim, I fail to see the issue.
If you're not a Muslim, I cant understand why you would want to teach at a Muslim school anyway. I dont know if you know, but you actually have to prove you're a Christian to work in Christian schools. Written references from your local pastor are often required.

All that's fine as long as you don't expect society to spend thousands of dollars supporting teen mothers. The public has an interest in seeing that girls are well informed about contraception etc. though admittedly I wouldn't imagine teen pregnancy would be a major problem in the Muslim community.

 

[sam04u]

Teen pregnancy is an issue for all people of all demographics.
But, this is not an issue about 'education'. Parents expect too much from schools.. how can you expect a Muslim teacher with strict rules explaining to teen such things as 'Masturbation, Involuntary Ejaculation and Contraceptive/Safe Sex' when as a religion they promote 'never using contraceptions' and only ever sleeping with your life partner?

Parents should teach their own children about these things, and since the government only 'controls' some aspects of the syllabus when they're dealing with 'private' schools, they have less control when it comes to such 'communal' education.

However, learning about these things 'are' a necessity only when engaging in such frivalrous acts. I don't think these involve the muslim communities where the parents pay for their children to receive an islamic education.

Then again, this isn't an argument about religious beliefs conflicting with society. It's another 'attack' on islam. Why is it only discussing 'Islamic Sex Education'? When Jeudaism, Christian, and Catholic schools all follow similar ruling of such 'optional' education.

It's like 'meningococcal' vaccinations, If you can prevent the spread of the disease the vaccinations are useless... but if you start vaccinating people, their is a chance of actually spreading the disease.
It's the same idea, the idea that 'pre-marital sex' is fine could infact cause such diseases and 'pre-marital pregnancies'.

Prevention > Protection

 

[Nakashima]

Your analogies are twisted.

I agree with Tully. Who bloody cares.

 

[*hopeful*]

honour killings are in no way a religious thing, its definately a cultural trend which is disgustingly horrible. There is no way for a person to justify killing their daughter for having a boyfriend in islam. Thats just fucked up losers using religion as an exuse

 

[*hopeful*]

as much as people whinge about what is taught in school, for example sex ed to muslims, or gay stories in preschool, its ultimately up to your parents/family. In the end, u will be exposed to it anyway, but i can understand muslim schools and even catholics schools attempting not to encourage "Safe sex" because it goes against their sex before marriage beliefs

 

[lil_huyenie]

they can ban their kids from being exposed to things that they say provoke their kids to have sex in school, but they cant stop it within the media..it is bound to happen, we are living in a progressive world and some people have just got to accept that things like this is more common nowadays then it was before...
so if they decide to go against the 'sex ed' thing by all mean do so..but in the end its their children who misses out...
guess their kids will be having unsafe sex then

 

[*hopeful*]

they can ban their kids from being exposed to things that they say provoke their kids to have sex in school, but they cant stop it within the media..it is bound to happen, we are living in a progressive world and some people have just got to accept that things like this is more common nowadays then it was before...
so if they decide to go against the 'sex ed' thing by all mean do so..but in the end its their children who misses out...
guess their kids will be having unsafe sex then

No, because as u said u cant stop the media... wat do u mean by "their" kids? u mean everyone who's kids havent had a sex education class ?

just because u dont get taught sex ed at school doesnt stop u from learning/reading in magazines, net, tv anywhere.......so i dont think no sex ed=unsafe sex for "their" kids

 

[banco55]

honour killings are in no way a religious thing, its definately a cultural trend which is disgustingly horrible. There is no way for a person to justify killing their daughter for having a boyfriend in islam. Thats just fucked up losers using religion as an exuse

yes of course it has nothing to do with Islam that's why a law against honour killings in Jordan was blocked by the usual band of degenerate islamists:

Parliament in Jordan has overwhelmingly rejected a proposed law imposing harsher punishments for men who kill female relatives in what are known as "honour killings". It was the second time since June's elections that the lower house, the Chamber of Deputies, quashed the bill on such killings, which are mostly carried out by brothers and fathers against women who have had sex outside of marriage.
Islamists and conservatives opposed to the new law said it would encourage vice and destroy social values.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3088828.stm

 

[*hopeful*]

like i said already, using religion as an excuse

the rest of the article says the lighter punishments "violate religious traditions and damage the fabric of Jordan's conservative society", ie they use religion as a basis of tradition when its not right, for their own culture and society and what not

 

[katie_tully]

Jesus. Get a clue.

Banco. Children from strong Muslim families, who get sent to strict Muslim schools are possibly the last people in Australia to "fall" pregnant. I also do not see where this focus on teen mothers comes from. Are you assuming all teen mothers are going to be welfare dependant?

Because they are not taught about contrapcetion does not mean they run the risk of teen pregnancy. THEY'RE MUSLIM. As well as being taught no contraception, they're being taught NOT TO HAVE SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE.
Therefore I cannot see where you're argument is coming from.

Sam04u, the purpose of the meningococcal vaccination is to PREVENT any instances of meningococcal. However there is more than one strand of meningococcal and we have the vaccination for two of them.
In any case, I do not get your analogy. Are you likening meningococcal to the spread of STDS?
The meningococcal vaccination is not useless because you cannot "prevent" people from developing meningococcal, especially when we all carry the virus in us anyway.

I do not see the purpose of this thread.
Is it a problem with Muslims not teaching sex education? Surely they compensate for that by teaching abstinence instead.
Like I said previously, if you have a problem with this, may I suggest you not send your child to any religious schools? May I also suggest that when you yourselves become parents, that you take on the responsibility of teaching safe sex to your OWN children?

 

[ihavenothing]

Yes, but in reality when these kids may question their faith and become curious (which is quite plausible) about sex, as it is something they hear about quite often but are shut off towards, of course they are going to want to know what all the fuss is about, without having any knowledge of STD's and biologically how the reproductive system functions. It is bound to happen in some cases.

What also strikes me is the conflict between any religion or any school and the mess that will leave on the kid if they find out they are gay or bisexual and they are taught they are going to go to hell or that this lifestyle is "immoral". They are going to be fed the same bullshit over and over again that can lead to serious identity problems, etc. What they need to be taught is that these relationships, exist, even though we do not condone them, it is your choice in the end.

 

[Generator]

For those who happen to be wondering, I just moved four posts to the Homosexuality (not 'homosexualism') in Australia thread given that they are better off there than they are here.

 

[ogmzergrush]

Good way to bring up kids I say, after all what doesn't a head in the sand solve?

Actually, I've changed my mind, why stop there? How is this sort of thing not discriminatory, or is it just the fact that we turn a blind eye on it for fear of offending people? When it comes down to it, I don't really object to what they teach people in segregated schools, because if people want to do that to their children, it's their call (I don't agree with them however, and will happily say as much).

But you get to things like "Under the policy, non-Muslim teachers would be banned from teaching sexual health classes." and it seems awfully blatant. What about if I decide I don't want my children taught anything by Muslim teachers, because I'm worried they'll warp my children's attitudes to life, exposing them to increased risk of becoming suicide bombers in the middle east (No, I'm not implying that all Muslims are terrorists, I'm just saying that the statistics are with me on this one - the vast majority of suicide bombers in the middle east ARE Muslim, and I think that's roughly a suitably half-assed basis for comparing my retarded conclusion there with the one about how anyone who isn't Muslim isn't able to teach sexual health in an appropriate manner).

Surely this is no different to assuming that sexual health being taught by a non-Muslim is going to turn your child into a brazen hussy likely to be knocked up by the first passer-by. I'm sure catholic nuns are just as dogmatically qualified to preach about the wonders of pretending that sex doesn't exist, so why leave them out of the fun?

Edit (again): In order to respond to responses which are likely, yes, I'm aware that such restrictions occur in most religious schools, but I'd object to those as well. Personally I see religion and education as two competing interests, so perhaps that's where my objection to faith-based requirements comes in.

 

[katie_tully]

I'll disagree with you there. People send their children to religious schools so that they can be educated AND brought up in a strict Catholic/Muslim/Jewish or whatever atmosphere.
They ask for teachers with specific requirements (such as being a Muslim) because obviously a practicing Muslim teacher is going to better suit the requirements of the school. Ogz, they ask for a Muslim teacher to teach sex education because a Muslim teacher would be sensitive to the restrictions on sex in the religion, not like you or I who aren't Muslim and therefore would not be capable on teaching in a capacity that is sensitive to their religious beliefs.

Why teach in a religious school if you do not practice the religion? I hardly think it's discriminatory, it's ensuring that the people who best know the religion teach in that area. If you aren't a Muslim, again I ask, why would you want to teach or send your child to a Muslim orientated school?

Personally I disagree with Catholic, Muslim, Jewish and whatever other religions there are being educational insitutes, because it's quite clear that religion and modern society cannot agree with each other. It's quite clear that religious figures whether they be teachers or politicians cannot separate their religious beliefs from secular society and the way our country is run.

This is also especially true for religious teachers who teach in the public sector. Lord knows the number of times I clashed with teachers that tried to impose their religious attitudes on children in a public, secular school.

Basically until people can divide their own personal beliefs with the secular beliefs of a general society, there will always be specialised schools and clashes of interest. It just comes down to if you dont like it, dont send your child there. If you want to send your child to a private school, there are plenty which are not orientated towards a religion.

 

[ogmzergrush]

Haha, this is where I run into problems, pretty much everything you've said makes sense and I agree with it, yet I still have an objection to specific faith requirements on teachers for topics aside from the religion itself. I think it's more to do with my objection to them teaching their own little private version of sex education or whatever else though, rather than it is to do with discrimination.

I guess what I'm objecting to more than the equal opportunities side of things or anything like that is the separation of religious schools to teach their own little twisted courses, but like you said, it shouldn't bother me because I don't intend to send my children there. Still, I can't help but feel a little peturbed by it all. Random little religious gang vs the world, that annoys me, but eh, what can you do.

 

[katie_tully]

No, you're right. Religious requirements are a crock of shit and I honestly don't think hardcore religious types can separate personal belief from their teachings.

In High School (I went to a public school), we were told that scripture was now compulsory for anybody in 7-10, unless a note from a parent specified otherwise. This I guess was mainly due to the fact that the principal was Catholic and atleast half of the teacher body was too (small school, small town, etc). I found this infuriating that in a public school we were still being subjected to the thoughts and ramblings of some crock pot.

Basically we were told things that completely contradicted everything we had been taught by a secular syllabus. This moron told us the grand canyon was created in 3 days (in the flood), that science proves nothing and erosion, weathering (chemical/physical) and sedimentation were not responsible for the canyon. I was expelled indefinately from scripture after that lesson.

I don't think religion has a place in education, at all. If you come to a secular country why cant your religious beliefs be separated from your childs education? It especially pisses me off that useless teachers who never made the cut to teach in selective schools impose their bullshit propaganda on the rest of us.