Israel–Gaza conflict (6 Viewers)

[bigb0yjames]

Re: Israel killed 155 Terrorists in Gaza Airstrike

Yeah you can concatenate down what I've said or you can actually address the argument. Nations have a right to self defense. You cannot deny this.

i do not deny hamas atrocious actions.

I've done nothing but promote a two state solution in the long run, and I've spoken out against extremism on both sides as well as Israel's actions that have caused serious damage to palestine. However, the wall has saved countless Israeli lives, and given Gaza's border with Egypt, the issue of Palestine lacking supplies is entirely the doing of Hamas trying to gain a PR victory in the issue.

As long as the US Government blocks a two-state settlement, it's unlikely to occur.

Either PR is worth human lives or it's not. I prefer taking the side that has a greater respect for human life than those who wish to have people die purely to bring light to Israel.

you don't truly believe that israel is the beacon of human life?

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

Re: Israel killed 155 Terrorists in Gaza Airstrike

Hey BBJ and Neb and all the other fucksticks who think Hamas and Palestine can do no wrong

Ehhp. Not me pal. I've been saying all along that while Hamas ought to have a lot of blame placed upon it, Israel has over-reacted resulting in hundreds soon to be thousands of dead civilians.

Please be more thoughtful in the future.

 

[bigb0yjames]

Re: FASCIST ISRAEL vs NAZI GERMANY

Israel has free press

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Lock and ban incoming!

great argument.,

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

Re: Israel killed 155 Terrorists in Gaza Airstrike

I've done nothing but promote a two state solution in the long run, and I've spoken out against extremism on both sides as well as Israel's actions that have caused serious damage to palestine. However, the wall has saved countless Israeli lives, and given Gaza's border with Egypt, the issue of Palestine lacking supplies is entirely the doing of Hamas trying to gain a PR victory in the issue.

Countless Israeli lives would have been saved without a wall if they had stuck to the borders arranged for them. Israel did not, and has acted as an international bully ever since, and has annexed land and built walls wherever it likes, treating established Arab populations as nothing more than a nuisance.

 

[Aryanbeauty]

Re: Israel killed 155 Terrorists in Gaza Airstrike

Ehhp. Not me pal. I've been saying all along that while Hamas ought to have a lot of blame placed upon it, Israel has over-reacted resulting in hundreds soon to be thousands of dead civilians.

Please be more thoughtful in the future.

As if it is bad to kill hamas terrorists ha ha.. isnt it funny the world actually wants Israel to kill hamas terrorists, in fact Arab league posponded its meeting until Wednesday to give Israel more time to kill Hamas Terrorists

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

Re: Israel killed 155 Terrorists in Gaza Airstrike

Either PR is worth human lives or it's not. I prefer taking the side that has a greater respect for human life than those who wish to have people die purely to bring light to Israel.

Clearly you do not. Like all Zionists, you take the side promoting the best interests of Israel in the long term while saving face by making absurd comments like that.

 

[bigb0yjames]

Re: FASCIST ISRAEL vs NAZI GERMANY

Save it for Alex Jones' forum, fuckhead.

Both extremes are retarded, criticising Israel is not antisemitism and Israel is not a nazi state.

Khuram, to be perfectly honest to you if you want to read up on Nazi states, read the history of the third reich by Richard Evans, and if you want to see the process whereby a Nazi state enslaves read "The Road to Serfdom" by Freidrich Hayek.

I'll even link you to the illustrated version because it's a lot shorter and less dense, and gets the points across fairly easily: (I'm not being a cunt here, it's a very good pamphlet)

The Illustrated Road to Serfdom

i am more than happy to read the book. but I'm afraid you're the one who, in your rush to defend Israel, completely missed the point of this thread.
From the way that Arabs:
- are treated as second-class scum in their own land (almost as pack animals, locked in Israeli factories overnight so they can be there the next morning, or an entire population locked up in a big reservation)
- to mass ethnic cleansing (read up on how many villages were "cleared" in the late 40's and early 50's, and what happened to their inhabitants)
- to how entire subject populations are brutalised, through mass invasions (sorry, "incursions"), business and housing demolitions, down to dehumanisation on a mass scale (closing schools, and then flooding the airwaves with porn video - forcing the kids outside the home, where trouble is then encouraged)

There are too many examples of mass brutality to list here. You need to educate yourself on your own time (im not trying to insult your intelligence ). Its hard to imagine what kind of daily psychological and physical torture that a Palestinian has to endure (down to being thrown out of ambulances on the way to hospital).

Suffice it to say, there are many similarities in terms of the mindset behind Zionists and how they view the Palestianians.

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

Re: Israel killed 155 Terrorists in Gaza Airstrike

Quick sidestep, and Neb be serious for once FFS, what does everyone think of Iran's stirring of the pot in this situation?

I haven't heard about that. All I heard was that they called for Israel to stop with the bloody murder.

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

Re: FASCIST ISRAEL vs NAZI GERMANY

I believe certain comparisons can be drawn.

Nazi Germany annexed land, as does Israel
Nazi Germany treated enemy life like scum, as does Israel
Nazi Germany killed thousands of civilians of a particular race, as has Israel

etc

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

Re: Israel killed 155 Terrorists in Gaza Airstrike

I bring up the democratic election to paint the Israeli government as a bunch of hypocrites.

My view:
Israel has a very slim right to exist. It has no right to exist at its current borders. Israeli settlements outside the pre 1949 borders are not acceptable. Resentment by Arabs towards Israel for not only continuing to occupy land that is not theirs, and actually expanding this occupation, is understandable. Violence stemming from this resentment is to be expected. That is to say, since Israel engaged in an action which is not acceptable and should expect violence. Not only this, but since they are occupying land that is not theirs, they should lie down and take this violence until they retreat to the 1949 borders (in the same way that Nazi Germany should not have invaded France and should have taken violence like a bitch, but didn't because they were kinda evil). This will take time and negotiation, and rockets being fired by Hamas militants into illegal Israeli settlements isn't going to help anyone - BUT INVADING GAZA RESULTING IN THOUSANDS OF CIVILIAN DEATHS IS SIMPLY PUSHING THE SITUATION IN REVERSE, IS NOT JUSTIFIED, AND IS MORALLY REPREHENSIBLE IN THE SAME WAY THAT GASSING THE JEWS IS MORALLY REPREHENSIBLE.

Let us not forget that the genocide of Jews in WWII was simply collateral damage in the way of the breeding of a purely Aryan race.

 

[sam04u]

Re: Israel killed 155 Terrorists in Gaza Airstrike

Neb why are you posting in a thread with this ridiculous of a title?

Get Iron to change it or post in the other thread.

Also if anyone has made any decent posts link them. I don't want to go through 13 pages in this cesspool of fail of a thread.

 

[bigb0yjames]

Re: FASCIST ISRAEL vs NAZI GERMANY

Anyone that views another human being as less than human does not have my support. Mischaracterising all Israelis as having this mindset does your argument a gross disservice, and saying that Israel = Germany is bullshit, I'm sorry to say.

Israel is not a fascist dictatorship. Great swathes of the Israeli population want a two state solution and want to recognise Palestine, minor psychotic groups do not.

These are the minority, and it is as gross a mischaracterisation to say that Arab Israelis have less rights than Jewish Israelis. It's a further utterly grotesque mischaracterisation to say that the minority view is held by the majority. Much in the same way that saying some nutcase wahhabists who want to bring death to westerners means that all muslims should be deported.

I am stil trying to come to a decision internally on just how the Israel/Palestine situation should pan out. I agree with a two state solution as the only solution, I abhor Israeli injustices (Particularly secret prisons, etc), but I can understand and sympathise with the actions and measures they've tried to take to maintain their security.

Drawing parallels between the two nations shows how little you know about both societies.

It was an attempt at correlating Israeli brutality with that of the Nazi's. In post number 7, I went deeper and made some very basic correlations between the mindset and rationale behind Zionism and that of Nazism ("chosen people", "lebensraum", the rest of you are inferior subhumans, etc).

These are all valid comparisons. One doesn't need to have two phenomenons of EQUAL SIZE in order to compare them, or to draw correlations between the two.

In your rush to pour cold water on the whole thing, you spectacularly missed the point. Even when I (and others) pointed out to you that it wasn't a question of scale.

 

[bigb0yjames]

Re: Israel killed 155 Terrorists in Gaza Airstrike

there were some really good posts in here (excluding some of mine/nebs/nolan troll posts)

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

Re: Israel killed 155 Terrorists in Gaza Airstrike

Neb why are you posting in a thread with this ridiculous of a title?

Get Iron to change it or post in the other thread.

Also if anyone has made any decent posts link them. I don't want to go through 13 pages in this cesspool of fail of a thread.

fucking, i changed the name of it and made a new thread but the Jewish mods merged it. Do us a favour and send em a PM demanding a change to the thread title.
Probably that cunt Rafy who did it.

 

[Aryanbeauty]

Re: Israel killed 155 Terrorists in Gaza Airstrike

LOL@ arab losers whining about the thread title ha ha!

 

[Omium]

Re: Israel killed 155 Terrorists in Gaza Airstrike

LOL@ arab losers whining about the thread title ha ha!

lol

 

[beentherdunthat]

Re: Israel killed 155 Terrorists in Gaza Airstrike

LOL@ arab losers whining about the thread title ha ha!

hahahaha


id rather be called a fucking terrorist than an israeli

 

[sam04u]

Re: Israel killed 155 Terrorists in Gaza Airstrike

Tzipi Livni their acting Prime Minister's parents were both in the Jewish-Israeli terrorist group Irgun, and she seems to be following in her parents foot steps.

It's pretty clear who the terrorists are. Israel and it's entire cabinet.

 

[rasengan90]

Re: Israel killed 155 Terrorists in Gaza Airstrike

hahahaha


id rather be called a fucking terrorist than an israeli

Then that is a great reflection on your value system. Part of a country which is the only functioning liberal democracy in the Mid East or one who deliberately kills civilians to create an atmosphere of fear. Nice, really thanks for posting this thread wasn't fucking retarded enough.

Tzipi Livni their acting Prime Minister's parents were both in the Jewish-Israeli terrorist group Irgun, and she seems to be following in her parents foot steps.

It's pretty clear who the terrorists are. Israel and it's entire cabinet.

Because the terrorists can't be Hamas; the ones who have fired 70 rockets into purely residential areas of Southern Israel since the end of the cease fire which they refused to renew. Israel has targeted military and political centres of Gaza; civilian deaths while unfourtunate are collateral. Btw not the whole cabinet agrees with this war, it would be quite silly to say the Knesset is in complete agreement about this. Also it was Israel itself who dismantled the Irgun; it was not condoned by Ben-Gurion.

 

[Nebuchanezzar]

Re: Israel killed 155 Terrorists in Gaza Airstrike

You try so hard rasengan but fail so miserably.

Civilian deaths on 9/11 were simply collateral in Al Qaeda's war on the US government.

Also it was Israel itself who dismantled the Irgun; it was not condoned by Ben-Gurion.

To be replaced by the IDF.