Re: Israel & Palestine
“What was your point again?
The Torah is a source, wikipedia had something,
http://www.angelfire.com/ms/domviol/bible.html , that one, and the guys quote [a few guys]
Theyre all sources
as i said there were more, but i thought they were way too bad [seemed real bad, so i thought they mustve been wrong]
Is that all?”
My point was that you used a Christian source to analyse a Jewish text and obviously that doesn’t work because of different perceptions of the religion and Christian bias (same with Muslims and Islam, etc). As two that hyperlinked source, personally I have 2 criticism, it looks dodgy (creating your own [not specifically you but in general] and then posting as if it were fact doesn’t do it for me) and secondly there was no commentary from the Tanakh to support these verses. I don’t know enough about the Torah to explain these verses but I can assure many Jews take on a modern perspective of the Torah.
“Lets get some facts straight. Israel is a zealot state, it is a religiously, fanatical, perverted, embodiment of Judaism in the world. They have stolen the Palestinian peoples land under the pretence of their religious beliefs, pointing to the torah for justification of displacing and driving the Palestinian people out of their homes.”
Lets get some facts straight, Israel is the only secular democratic country in the Middle east. To say that it is fanatic and a zealot state is just ridiculous as well as generalizing and insulting to so many people. As to the second part of that statement, grow up Samo, you’ve lost that argument convincingly, I laugh every time you post your bull crap.
“That is such a lie. Did you overlook the "commentary", and the Halakhah that was sent to the president of Israel as justification to kill Palestinian bystanders. Did you completely omit that from your memory?”
Do you want to provided a source for that? And at the same time has the President of Israel actually used it as justification to kill Palestinian bystanders. Give me a statement of him saying that Israel wants to kill bystanders. Come on, give me one – oh wait you can’t, because he hasn’t said any of that shit.
“That is a filthy lie, and that can be seen in your double standards. Your disregard for the Palestinian peoples lives and land. And your biased support for the zionist state of Israel.”
And that has what to do with Islam or any other religions? You really have to stop twisting my words around, I in way disregard the Palestinian people – I mourn innocent civilian deaths as I do in any conflict. Unlike you I have even given a solution as to how the Palestinian people can move out of the situation they are in. I personally interact with my inter-faith dialogue groups for example for two years running I have been involved with interfaith-dialogue between Jewish, Christian and Muslim schools in Sydney – so don’t go saying I lie about have no problems with other religions.
“How about when somebody uses it to steal another peoples country?”
Give it up with your lies.
Completely imbecilic. Iran is a democracy, and the president was elected. (much like Israel is a democracy.)
You’re trying to tell me that the person in charge of Iran is the President? Don’t be naïve, it is the Ayatollah, it is he who controls the president and it is he who chooses the President ultimately. Iran uses fear to control it citizens for example the enforced use of extreme sharia law. 1 religious Muslim leader in charge of a country = Islamo-fascist country.
“Do you mean "Using a Christian sacred text, to analyse a Jewish sacred text"?
No I mean using a Christian source (in this case a website) to analyse a Jewish sacred text. Can you read?
“It's so blindingly obvious that you're a zionist that cares 'more' about Jews than Muslims or Christians. To the point where their sacred texts become "texts" and where double standards exist.”
Stop twisting my words, I have never said anything about anybodies sacred texts becoming texts or whatever the hell your saying.
“It is almost impossible to find good commentary from "Hebrew" sources of the Torah (or Old testament.) But a professor of the Old Testament Dr John D. Currid, explains Deutoronomy 22:22 as such:”
I’m not going to bother reading it until you use a Tanakh.
"22. If a man is found lying with a married woman, even both of them shall die the man lying with the woman and the woman. So shall you clear away the evil from Israel.
both of them shall die [The words “both of them” come] to exclude unnatural acts in which the man makes contact with the woman wihout intercourse], from which the woman derives no pleasure [thus not including“both of them” in the act]. — [Sifrei 22:102, San. 66b]
even גַּם, lit., also. This comes to include those who have relations after them. [I.e., after these two people have already been tried and sentenced to death for adultery, and before they are put to death, other people commit further adultery with them, these new people are also to be put to death for adultery, and we do not consider this couple as dead people.] Another explanation [of the expression גַּם-שְׁתֵיהֶם]: To include the fetus. [I.e.,] if she was pregnant, they do not wait for her until she gives birth [but put her to death immediately, while still pregnant]. — [Arachin 7a]
http://www.chabad.org"
And has anyone been put to death over it? No, go read the Tanakh and come back to me.
“Regardless, I want this religious discussion to end now. We're discussing the illegal occupation of Palestine by the Israelis, and not the religions involved. Heba responded to Britney's posts and since you haven't condemned any of his posts as you have to hers, we can assume that you're either neutral towards the discussions of religions or supported his use of religions to divert attention to the actual issue we're discussing.”
I personally couldn’t give a shit what you think, I have HSC so unless the topic was specifically on I & P and/or was addressed to me, I just went back to doing work.
