Just Checked University Guide-2006 & guess what? (1 Viewer)

[Zafar azam]

Hello folks, I just had a look @ University guide- 2006. I found that graduate unemployment rates are really high (mostly betweeen 30%-40%) with IT/ComSC grad, even gradutes from top Uni like UNSW,USYD are unemployed. I have this feeling most them are victim of yr-2000 boom-time IT trend. Hope things improve in coming years.

 

[GoodToGo]

Hello folks, I just had a look @ University guide- 2006. I found that graduate unemployment rates are really high (mostly betweeen 30%-40%) with IT/ComSC grad, even gradutes from top Uni like UNSW,USYD are unemployed. I have this feeling most them are victim of yr-2000 boom-time IT trend. Hope things improve in coming years.

USYD's a top uni for for IT?!

This is hardly news...the IT market has been shit for ages. Only someone with an undying passion for IT or an idiot would do an IT/CompScience course at uni.

 

[The Jerk]

I think I'll break my post drought and step in here.

It is ignorant to disregard the value of a CS/IT degree and insult the intelligence of candidates.

While there has been considerable concern in recent times, the market appears to be on its feet and there is certain opportunity for graduates. Like in any field, the demand for skills varies, but on the whole, things appear positive. At the very least, research suggests that the prospects are no less favourable for those seeking employment in the IT&T sector.


Beer has written one the many articles that present a strong forecast.

IT job market strong, telco job market recovering

By Stan Beer
Wednesday, 29 March 2006

Employment expectations in the Australian IT and telecoms sectors are looking stronger for the June quarter, according to a new report released yesterday.

The Report Employment Expectations figures from recruitment firm Hudson surveyed more than 8,000 employers nationally and showed that 46.2% of IT employers plan to increase permanent staffing levels, compared to 7.4% who intend to reduce employee numbers, resulting in a net effect of 38.8%.

In the telco sector, 40.4% of employers plan to increase permanent staffing levels, compared to 18.4% who intend to reduce employee numbers, resulting in a net effect of 22.0%.

IT employers in NSW, QLD and WA recorded the highest levels of optimism, with the IT sector returning the highest level of employer sentiment across all sectors in NSW.

“The main driver behind the growth in the IT market is the overall increase in IT spending across the board as many organisations are now regarding technology as a key enabler of business growth,” said Martin Retschko, director of the IT&T Sector for Hudson

Among other findings:

· IT sector records third highest level of employment optimism out of all industry sectors surveyed
· 46.2% of IT employers to increase staff over June quarter
· Telco sector records 5.3% rise in employment expectations after steep decline in previous quarter

http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/3768/50

Wheeler has written an article that delves a little deeper for those that may be more sceptical.

The ICT labour market: Where agendas collide

By Mark Wheeler, Technology & Business Magazine
18 October 2005 04:50 PM

Companies want cheap labour, universities depend on international student dollars, industry needs key skills, and local graduates just want a job. Mark Wheeler investigates the drama playing out over the ICT labour market.

The debate is sharpening over IT skills in Australia. With deficiencies in certain specialist segments, the industry is facing some problems in addressing the shortfall. Most commentators, however, suggest that despite these evolving difficulties IT is coping -- and by comparison better than most other sectors.

What is apparent is that the IT sector is grappling with rapidly changing supply and demand for skills that are becoming increasingly specialised and diverse. Differing agendas have also emerged, and where solutions have appeared, those agendas have created problems.

Surplus or shortage?
If you ask analysts, IT associations, or recruitment companies, the answers come swiftly and consistently -- there is a skills shortage, but only in key "pocket" areas. In other areas we seem to be in surplus. According to a 2004 Department of Workplace Relations (DEWR) ICT skills survey, there is no national skills shortage. The number of suitable applicants per ICT vacancy actually rose marginally from 5.5 to 5.8 nationally. Bob Kinnaird, a Sydney-based labour market analyst suggests that "the figures are consistent with an IT labour market in general oversupply, balance at best -- certainly not a generalised shortage."

Indeed a common observation is that our universities are "pumping out" graduate programmers and we are having real problems finding work for them all. An Australian Computer Society (ACS) survey released in May highlighted that in 2004, 22.2 percent of programmers were unemployed -- far above the national average. That said, in key skill sets there is a clear shortage of available workers.

Demand for certain niche skills is particularly evident in Sydney, and most other capitals also demonstrate similar patterns. Demand for programmers and software developers in categories including .NET, Lotus Notes, SAP, Peoplesoft, Siebel, and Linux is noted in the DEWR survey. James Turner, industry analyst for Frost and Sullivan, says that the really good programmers in some of these disciplines have been able to name their price.

http://www.zdnet.com.au/insight/business/soa/The_ICT_labour_market_Where_agendas_collide/0,39023749,39217595,00.htm

Oh and by the way, GoodToGo, I'd just like to commend you on failing to provide any information of merit in a post you obviously felt was informative. Along with a number of radical but well intentioned Equal Opportunity groups, I'm sure your arsehole is pleased that it is given the chance to speak. Though, as commendable as that may be, based upon what was suggested, it is evident that it has been kicked quite convincingly on a number of occasions. As such, it is probably best you stop revealing it to strangers. An insatiable habit you may find difficult to curb.

 

[withoutaface]

The Jerk, did you even read the second article? It says it's probably in oversupply.

 

[jpr333]

Outsourcing will make us all unemployed, discuss.

 

[The Jerk]

The Jerk, did you even read the second article? It says it's probably in oversupply.

Yes I did. Yes, it suggests there may be oversupply in some areas. However, even the pessimists recognise there are opportunities, it's just the demand has just shifted in focus. Those who are more optimistic see substantial growth. Anyway, whatever the case may be, there is opportunity and contemplating or undertaking a computer related degree is not idiotic.

 

[dddman]

Hello folks, I just had a look @ University guide- 2006. I found that graduate unemployment rates are really high (mostly betweeen 30%-40%) with IT/ComSC grad, even gradutes from top Uni like UNSW,USYD are unemployed. I have this feeling most them are victim of yr-2000 boom-time IT trend. Hope things improve in coming years.

wats the emplyment rate for UTS bcoz i assumed they are kings at IT

 

[Huratio]

wats the emplyment rate for UTS bcoz i assumed they are kings at IT

I'm interested as well..

 

[Zafar azam]

LOL guess what , UTS did not even participate in the survey. I know few people ( Int. students) finished their IT from UTS & still looking for jobs. Its not about only IT , they did not participate in any of the fields (Accounting, Arts, Law). I am not sure of why they avoided it, but i could see in the guide that % of international students really high in UTS. Recently UTS has decided to condense all the engineering degree (telco,soft,comp) into a single degree named bachelor of technology , not only that it's IT faculty going through a major reform as it's not attracting lots of fund $$$ as it used to b in the past.
Btw u can pick a copy of unversity guide -2006 from the university library.

Cheerz

 

[dddman]

LOL guess what , UTS did not even participate in the survey. I know few people ( Int. students) finished their IT from UTS & still looking for jobs. Its not about only IT , they did not participate in any of the fields (Accounting, Arts, Law). I am not sure of why they avoided it, but i could see in the guide that % of international students really high in UTS. Recently UTS has decided to condense all the engineering degree (telco,soft,comp) into a single degree named bachelor of technology , not only that it's IT faculty going through a major reform as it's not attracting lots of fund $$$ as it used to b in the past.
Btw u can pick a copy of unversity guide -2006 from the university library.

Cheerz

pfft international students, i think 10% is too many

 

[dddman]

Recently UTS has decided to condense all the engineering degree (telco,soft,comp) into a single degree named bachelor of technology , not only that it's IT faculty going through a major reform as it's not attracting lots of fund $$$ as it used to b in the past.
Btw u can pick a copy of unversity guide -2006 from the university library.

Cheerz

i just checked the uni and its not gonna be called bachelor of technology tool, its gonna be called B Information & Communication Technology Engineering (computer systems/software/telecom) hence why if your an international student, i hope you fail the exam from the uac

 

[Conspirocy]

I think I'll break my post drought and step in here.

It is ignorant to disregard the value of a CS/IT degree and insult the intelligence of candidates.

I do not disregard the value of CS/IT degrees, or the value of any degree. There is a positive correlation between degrees with higher UAIs and having a having a canditure that is more intellegent. There will however be outliers, who are in fact 'smart' (for lack of a better word).

In my opinion, I would suggest that the first function of any business that has retrenchements and dismissals is the IT department, because it is easy to oursource. This would create uncertainty in your job security. Some will say that you will probably be able to get a job somewhere else. Again that is true, but if a company makes an outsourcing choice, its probably because you are an asinine, little prick like 'The Jerk' who is overpaid and has a chip on his shoulder about doing an IT degree(im assuming). These jobs go overseas so that would reduce your job prospects upon termination. If only people like 'The Jerk' would go overseas in search of those jobs.

 

[ioniser]

Hello folks, I just had a look @ University guide- 2006. I found that graduate unemployment rates are really high (mostly betweeen 30%-40%) with IT/ComSC grad, even gradutes from top Uni like UNSW,USYD are unemployed. I have this feeling most them are victim of yr-2000 boom-time IT trend. Hope things improve in coming years.

not really maybe you should check this site out

http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,18935629^15306^^nbv^,00.html

they did not participate in any of the fields (Accounting, Arts, Law)

what are you trying to imply here,If you 've checked in the top 4 accounting firms(KPMG.......etc) hirer a larger portion of graduates from uts in accounting than any other uni.

The same applies for uts' art degrees ,once again this is shown in the top firms prefering to hire them over other unis


^ keep in mind most of uts' degrees are offered with work experience hence the high employment rate

 

[jase_]

Recently UTS has decided to condense all the engineering degree (telco,soft,comp) into a single degree named bachelor of technology , not only that it's IT faculty going through a major reform as it's not attracting lots of fund $$$ as it used to b in the past.

While what you have stated is true, it is not the main reason for restructuring the IT courses. UTS usually review their IT courses (and other courses as well) every 5 or so years to make sure they are as relevant to the industry as possible. The new course design was developed with a panel of people from both the uni as well as the industry to make it as up to date and useful as possible. The last course change was in 2002 (when I started) when it went through a major change from the BSciCompSci to the now BScIT. Some of the core subjects remained the same but there were a lot of new subjects introduced, such as Java and .NET programming which were starting to emerge as big technologies in 2002.

Now in 2007, the course is being changed again to a more flexible course where students can choose what IT path they want to go down. A more flexible course is also being introduced to give students a chance to try subjects in different areas where previously they were restricted by too many core subjects which may not have been as useful for them. It also means standardisation of IT subjects offered in both the single and combined degrees (which is currently not the case).

 

[phrred]

not really maybe you should check this site out

http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,18935629^15306^^nbv^,00.html



what are you trying to imply here,If you 've checked in the top 4 accounting firms(KPMG.......etc) hirer a larger portion of graduates from uts in accounting than any other uni.

The same applies for uts' art degrees ,once again this is shown in the top firms prefering to hire them over other unis


^ keep in mind most of uts' degrees are offered with work experience hence the high employment rate

Thats because you have a B Accounting and accounting seems to be UTS's only strength in business

 

[stalon001]

I do not disregard the value of CS/IT degrees, or the value of any degree. There is a positive correlation between degrees with higher UAIs and having a having a canditure that is more intellegent. There will however be outliers, who are in fact 'smart' (for lack of a better word).

In my opinion, I would suggest that the first function of any business that has retrenchements and dismissals is the IT department, because it is easy to oursource. This would create uncertainty in your job security. Some will say that you will probably be able to get a job somewhere else. Again that is true, but if a company makes an outsourcing choice, its probably because you are an asinine, little prick like 'The Jerk' who is overpaid and has a chip on his shoulder about doing an IT degree(im assuming). These jobs go overseas so that would reduce your job prospects upon termination. If only people like 'The Jerk' would go overseas in search of those jobs.

Conspirocy>>> I absolutely i agree with ur thoughts. I will make the main points

1. Emerging countries like India/china making it harder for local IT professionals by targeting our local IT infrastructure. Overseas Cheap labor, yes cheap labor do have an adverse effect on our local IT programmer/developer.

2. The lack of consistent performance of IT making it even harder to grow interest among local students,again diverting towards overseas market. I believe students should not risk it solely relying on comSc/IT degree, and have some sort of back-up plan (e.g. combining it with a business/other course).

I was just wondering isn't it all the programmers/developers are naturally talented with their self-learning/management skills. I know some professionals are real good with programming just by doing few books like java/.net/C#/C++. They just doing it consistently from early age or regularly. They reckon uni's pathway for them to get into better $$$/jobs. Indian/Chinese programmers ain't highly uni-educated, but i m pretty sure they got the right books with them. It certainly is a unpredictable industry, and i'd not dare to make ma living out f it. Thanks to my career councilor who asked me to go for a combined degree.

 

[stalon001]

While what you have stated is true, it is not the main reason for restructuring the IT courses. UTS usually review their IT courses (and other courses as well) every 5 or so years to make sure they are as relevant to the industry as possible. The new course design was developed with a panel of people from both the uni as well as the industry to make it as up to date and useful as possible. The last course change was in 2002 (when I started) when it went through a major change from the BSciCompSci to the now BScIT. Some of the core subjects remained the same but there were a lot of new subjects introduced, such as Java and .NET programming which were starting to emerge as big technologies in 2002.

Now in 2007, the course is being changed again to a more flexible course where students can choose what IT path they want to go down. A more flexible course is also being introduced to give students a chance to try subjects in different areas where previously they were restricted by too many core subjects which may not have been as useful for them. It also means standardisation of IT subjects offered in both the single and combined degrees (which is currently not the case).

Dude, what about the studetns who just started in yr2005/2006. To tell u the true i m a victim of this sort of restructuring, resulted in missing out on good subjests, plus wasting of my pocket $$$. When i went to the faculty asking for exemption, they staright-way told me to redo the subject. If u can recall there was a subject in UTS called "Informatics" which was changed to "Informatics-C" then eventually got forbidden. just check this out http://www.eng.uts.edu.au/CurrentStudents/undergraduate/Forbidden.htm.
I dont have any complaints towards IT, it just causes so much frastration to Avg. student like me . Lukcy u, i guess u'r quite smart academic siting on the top 5% safe region, enjoying a secure career .

 

[stalon001]

i just checked the uni and its not gonna be called bachelor of technology tool, its gonna be called B Information & Communication Technology Engineering (computer systems/software/telecom) hence why if your an international student, i hope you fail the exam from the uac

hahah dddman why u cursing dude, just relax. May b u should copy/paste the whole Uni-guide here so every1 can have a look and judge on it . relax dude.

 

[jase_]

Most of the old core subjects and sub-major subjects will still exist from 2007 onwards in the IT faculty, so anyone in the pre-2007 course will still be able to do them. Any subject that is being phased out will still be available for at least a year.

 

[Huratio]

Most of the old core subjects and sub-major subjects will still exist from 2007 onwards in the IT faculty, so anyone in the pre-2007 course will still be able to do them. Any subject that is being phased out will still be available for at least a year.

nope, Information, Classification and Control (31468) will be phased out this year.. what happens if you failed this semester being in a BScIT (pre-2007) course.. you wouldn't be able to do Information Systems Principles (31060) as an alternative would u?

hahah dddman why u cursing dude, just relax. May b u should copy/paste the whole Uni-guide here so every1 can have a look and judge on it . relax dude.

could have used the edit button rather than triple-post =O