Law & management? (1 Viewer)

[Baiku]

Just hoping to hear from some people that have majored in Management, particularly if anyone has done law & management.

Management seems really easy to me. But there seems to be a fair few people disregarding the major because it won't get you a job like perhaps finance or accounting will (which I disagree with).

I intend to either get into consulting or legal profession (as a graduate in a commercial firm).

Is management worthwhile, will it matter what I major in anyway? what's management like?

Thanks...

 

[turtleface]

the thing about managemnet and why its so often bagged as being useless is cause there is a heap of more useful subjects to do instead.

the thing about management is that few grad jobs advertise for "management grads" without experience

and when you want to become a manager, law firms and go have in house management training programs

I would like to do Management its just that there is no space to do so, there is a plethora of other more important (for job prospects) stuff to do

 

[Baiku]

That's fine but I'm not sure to what extent law firms care about your commerce major?
Given that law firms employ plenty of arts/law students, surely a management degree would be more useful than a major in history...

So does it really matter?

 

[Omnidragon]

The cliche is 'management is not something you learn from uni'. I kind of agree.

That said, a lot of management grads I know seem to have fewer options than accounting grads. Maybe accounting grads can apply for anything a management grad applies for, but not the other way around.

Like you said, management seems easy. People who do it tell me it's easy. And then there's a lot of people who brag it. Personally, I wouldn't buck the trend. It's a bit like trying to long the market in the next few months.

Last thing is, I'm not an expert. It's just an opinion.

 

[sikeveo]

MBA more useful maybe?

 

[blue_chameleon]

MBA more useful maybe?

Ahhh the MBA. Also known as, The Divorce Course.

 

[phrred]

That's fine but I'm not sure to what extent law firms care about your commerce major?
Given that law firms employ plenty of arts/law students, surely a management degree would be more useful than a major in history...

So does it really matter?

many employers like people with a sense of humanities who are well rounded. History majors would also require lots of essay writing and critical analysis

 

[Baiku]

Sure an MBA is more useful, also requires 2-4 years of industry experience to qualify for the course - so not exaclty something I can major in, which is the point of the thread

many employers like people with a sense of humanities who are well rounded. History majors would also require lots of essay writing and critical analysis

You either missed the point or decided to not contribute anything at all...
I'm saying that law firms DO employ arts/law students and as such perhaps commerce major is sort of inconsequential.

I have also heard from plenty of people tha when applying to a law firm they are concerned with your average across law subjects, not across all subjects, which I seem to believe at the moment unless people have experience otherwise?

 

[turtleface]

many employers like people with a sense of humanities who are well rounded.

lol thats true. In other words, their way of discriminating against asians and nerds

I'm saying that law firms DO employ arts/law students and as such perhaps commerce major is sort of inconsequential.

yeah well if you're gonna go into torts or criminal law or something commerce wont be too handy. An arts degree in say criminology or psychology would be better.

Having said that though, just because we have an Arts degree or a Commerce degree or a Science degree or even a law degree does not mean we are an expert in that field. say if I get into corporate law with a Bcom/llb, the commerce degree would be useless besides giving me a bit of commercial acumen. I wouldn't need to spend 2 extra years in uni to do learn the stuff that could be useful for my law career though...degrees are useless if you don't specialise in the area that you have studied. the worst thing to do is to be have the people who do like Pharmacy/Commerce's attitude. They do it cause (I quote "so I can open a Pharmacy shop" WTF? sif a uni degree suddenly makes you an expert in business. I guess its the same for law...it doesn't really matter.

I think the only reason law firms want ppl with law degrees is there is a belief that 2 degrees grads=smarter than 1, however ridiculous that is. either that, or they just want you to get a feel of different industries so you can relate to the general population better. we all know how thick lawyers are

if you really want to stay in com/law just do accounting. 50% of accounting is pretty much law...standards, tax, super, trusts, corporations, insolvency....oh my god remind me why im doing accounting....

 

[Baiku]

I think the only reason law firms want ppl with law degrees is there is a belief that 2 degrees grads=smarter than 1, however ridiculous that is. either that, or they just want you to get a feel of different industries so you can relate to the general population better. we all know how thick lawyers are

if you really want to stay in com/law just do accounting. 50% of accounting is pretty much law...standards, tax, super, trusts, corporations, insolvency....oh my god remind me why im doing accounting....

Law firms employ law graduates because it is illegal to practice law in Victoria without a recognised law degree...clever huh.

Law firms also practice commercial, and not criminal, law. I don't know the ratios, but when you think of the "big 6" major law firms in Australia, I'm pretty sure they all do commercial law.

Accounting is boring and difficult from all reports (not that I've ever done it) and management is simple and interesting.
Your argument is pretty bad if you finish it with "may as well go do accounting" - why would I do accounting if I'm not going to be an accountant?

Most people do double-degrees in law because (one reason) the law subjects require a lot of reading and to do 4 of them every semester for 4 years is hell of a lot more work than a double-degree.

 

[turtleface]

I think the only reason law firms want ppl with law degrees is there is a belief that 2 degrees grads=smarter than 1, however ridiculous that is

Law firms employ law graduates because it is illegal to practice law in Victoria without a recognised law degree...clever huh.

doh, sorry, I meant a commerce degree. obviously in Australia its axiomatic you need a law degree to practice law.

Law firms also practice commercial, and not criminal, law. I don't know the ratios, but when you think of the "big 6" major law firms in Australia, I'm pretty sure they all do commercial law.

...i dunno, I'm just baseing on the Steve Vizard Case I saw, where he was represented by Minter Ellison. but wait...that was civil...ok i'm not sure about that case, but I am sure the law firms do more than just commercial law. For instance my friends dad was represented by Mallesons on Product Liability Law.

I guess you can argue that the Big 6 go into areas encountered by corporations...but I don't think tahts what commercial law means

oh I just thought of another benefit of doing an accounting major instead. because you do Com/LLB you're well placed to become a registered Auditor or liquidator. So if you ever want to explore those paths, do accounting. Screw management, as others have said, I've yet to see any job advertise for a Management major.

Additionally, if you want to bludge at Uni by doing Management, just screw the commerce degree and do straight law.

 

[Baiku]

doh, sorry, I meant a commerce degree. obviously in Australia its axiomatic you need a law degree to practice law.

Law firms also practice commercial, and not criminal, law. I don't know the ratios, but when you think of the "big 6" major law firms in Australia, I'm pretty sure they all do commercial law.

...i dunno, I'm just baseing on the Steve Vizard Case I saw, where he was represented by Minter Ellison. but wait...that was civil...ok i'm not sure about that case, but I am sure the law firms do more than just commercial law. For instance my friends dad was represented by Mallesons on Product Liability Law.

I guess you can argue that the Big 6 go into areas encountered by corporations...but I don't think tahts what commercial law means

oh I just thought of another benefit of doing an accounting major instead. because you do Com/LLB you're well placed to become a registered Auditor or liquidator. So if you ever want to explore those paths, do accounting. Screw management, as others have said, I've yet to see any job advertise for a Management major.

Additionally, if you want to bludge at Uni by doing Management, just screw the commerce degree and do straight law.[/QUOTE]

There is nothing bludgey about dong straight law...
I have six months to decide my commerce major anyway

 

[turtleface]

hey i never said that! lol (pls rearrange quotes) ...oh.wait. it was an error in my post lol. doh

I find it would be so much easier to do straight law. My mind is intellectual capacity is limited, so if I have to juggle numbers and formulas with supremely retarded english, I get confused. It'd be so much easier if it was Austlii all the way, instead of Austlii vs. AASB 139 ..but i guess one helps the other

 

[phrred]

What are the chances of getting a job in a law firm with a Commerce degree with majors in management and commercial law?

I think it would be difficult to get a job in a law firm if you cant practice but my friend doing this combination reckons itll b easy to find employment.
Any comments?