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any other instrument which compounds wealth is working in the same way as interest. you sacrifice wealth now to receive an increased amount at a future date.

^^

The difference is that now risk exists. it prevents people from simply investing away in loans knowing that they will earn a profit regardless on the (often doomed to fail) enterpreneur's business)

let me make this simple:

economy a) 0 interest bank accounts

average citizen with no financial background will have their wealth stored in an account earning no interest. as i'm sure you know over time their wealth will deteriorate. CORRECT higher wealth individuals who either a) are privy to financial markets or b) can afford financial advisors, will still accumulate and compound their wealth at the same rate. CORRECT

That's the thing. The average citizen needs to become education. That's the real problem happening throughout the world. Libya, Middle East, Asia ( Cheap labour exploitation with HORRIBLE work conditions), USA (buys every word the news Tube spins - Fox news I'm looking @ you) and generally around the world. (Copyright Litigation or something WTF for a patent that someone made a half-arsed attempt in making just to sue someone else in the future)

economy b) as it is now

the exact same situation as above except for the fact that the less financially informed individuals will not have this effect of time decaying wealth and the more wealthy individuals will still be in a similar situation.

^^ Incorrect, but not entirely.

The less income inclined citizen will have decaying wealth due to having to repay loans with compounded interest. Home loans in fact are inflating the real estate market; simply speaking taking a $250,000 loan for a $250,000 yet repaying $300,000 in the long run will incline those who cannot afford to repay these loans to sell the house at or beyond the average price in order to pay off the loan. What then happens is that The house (assumed) sells @ $275,000. this affects the statistics people refer to, real estate evaluators refer to and gives individuals the perception that their house has become worth more. This then increases the loan individuals require to purchase a house ($275,000+) and yet with the interest rate is STILL at the same rate, which leads to an estimated $320,000 total loan repayment total instead. The figures are being made up of course, but you can hopefully see what I'm getting at. The interest system DOES cause a greater wealth inequality; seeing as higher income individuals won't have to resort to loans as they already have such accumulated wealth.
if you think that 'anybody' can invest, whilst technically true, you overestimate the intelligence of the average australian. left to their own devices people will simply stick with what they know.[/QUOTE]


And on this I 100% agree.

The no interest system is NOT the messiah like solution to everything - But it's a step in the right direction.
 

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seriously this doesn't even warrant an quasi-intellectual reply lol
Please read the entire past two pages before replying thanks. including the Wikipedia entry (since that's what every hipster apparently refers to now. And fox news)
 

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Interest is not a modern system. It has been proven (by Economists, heck even in Economic classes your own TEACHER proved that an interest based system WILL never lead us to ending the numerous wealth distribution issues, as well as reduce a family's MPC which drives the economy through the multiplier effect.)



Not all of them, but yes that would be true. You are also correct in that in the current setting no muslim practicing pure full reserve banking practices. Although this does also apply to all other religious faiths (considering the major players) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury

Interest is bad. Period.
No, interest is the time value of money. It's an important price signal and it allows for risk to be accounted for in lending. 'Sharia loans' just have a higher upfront 'entry fee' but you end up paying back the loan with effective interest, they just hide it.

Stop lying.
 

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any other instrument which compounds wealth is working in the same way as interest. you sacrifice wealth now to receive an increased amount at a future date.


let me make this simple:

economy a) 0 interest bank accounts

average citizen with no financial background will have their wealth stored in an account earning no interest. as i'm sure you know over time their wealth will deteriorate. higher wealth individuals who either a) are privy to financial markets or b) can afford financial advisors, will still accumulate and compound their wealth at the same rate.

economy b) as it is now

the exact same situation as above except for the fact that the less financially informed individuals will not have this effect of time decaying wealth and the more wealthy individuals will still be in a similar situation.

if you think that 'anybody' can invest, whilst technically true, you overestimate the intelligence of the average australian. left to their own devices people will simply stick with what they know.

Was just hijacked by peeps whilst trapped behind numerous chairs in the learning centre @ school study economics.

Anyways there's no right or wrong answer, that's why this is an open forum where all arguments can be tested until a sliver of truth finally appears.
 
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'Sharia loans' just have a higher upfront 'entry fee' but you end up paying back the loan with effective interest, they just hide it.
I know, it's been discussed already.

Non-interest systems is/are not a pancreas for everything,
 

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interest is the marginal return on saved up land and labour (capital). it therefore IS a panacea - to the incentive and time-horizon problem.

unless you believe in central planning there is literally no other option. and under such a system, (black) markets do inevitably emerge - with interest.
 
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What would be an alternative to accruing interest then?
 

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What would be an alternative to accruing interest then?
living in a shariah law country and putting your money in a vault, whilst concurrently watching its value fall over time.
 

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I'm not sure this is correct, although if so it is not good. Sharia law is to put it simply, wrong. Never should it be allowed (even exclusively for Muslims) in Australia as some people have pushed for.
 

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mate

thats like saying common law is wrong

its just a legal system lol you can have sharia law that explicitly forbids capital punishment etc
 

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america the glorious bastion of freedom implements sharia law
 

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