Mathematics? (2 Viewers)

[withoutaface]

Thankyou Iruka!
Your post is refreshing and to a degree inspirational.
Hrmm.. I can only find one university here in Victoria (rmit) that teaches straight Mathematics.. wheras the other universities tend to like mixing it with teaching.
Do you feel that I would benefit more in doing mathematics as a major in a science degree?
Then the next question that comes is what sorta science?

Um, the traditional way of doing maths is as a science degree. Mathematics is a science.

 

[puglover]

Um, the traditional way of doing maths is as a science degree. Mathematics is a science.

Well, thankyou for pointing that out to me.

 

[doink]

You were going to so a bachelor of arts in mathematics???

Maths is awesome i agree, but if you want to do pure the job prospects aren't terribly awesome. Consider applied maths like financial, statistics or engineering where there are plenty of jobs, also combine the maths with something so you get your fix and the ability to get a job.

If you like business things actuarial studies is basically maths with a huge salary involved.

 

[Cookie182]

Slightly irrelevant but i was wondering if lawyers ever use mathematics (other then basic arithmetic etc). The general stereotype is that law is a written/english based career (and for the most part it is) but i was wondering if there are any applications/uses of advanced mathematics in law?

Im in comm/law but my first preference was originally maths/law- i deviated due to people saying that would have lower career opps in comparison to commerce.

thoughts?

 

[Iruka]

I have met several people at uni doing double degrees in maths and law, and I have often wondered the same thing.

I think that probably there aren't many areas of law where mathematics is directly applicable, but maybe the critical thinking and problem solving skills that you aquire while doing maths are useful.

 

[puglover]

no i do not want to do an arts degree in mathematics. =/

so, how do i find out a bit more about engineering without spending thousands of dollars on a degree and yet still getting a taste for it...?
i know very little about it all.

 

[Cookie182]

no i do not want to do an arts degree in mathematics. =/

so, how do i find out a bit more about engineering without spending thousands of dollars on a degree and yet still getting a taste for it...?
i know very little about it all.

If your a little shy towards practical design maybe leaning towards mathematical applications in finance could be rewarding for you. Especially if you love maths as you say you do (and assuming you have a lot of ability) a degree like Mathematics and finance or adv. maths may well interest you- big $$$ as well and an interesting and evolving area of mathematics. Plus, firms have a huge demand for grads with strong quant skills in areas like trading, IB, analyitcal work...grads with strong mathematical skills generally will get hired over say a BBus/Comm grad with a major in finance (as these degress considerably tone down the mathematics).

 

[Cookie182]

I have met several people at uni doing double degrees in maths and law, and I have often wondered the same thing.

I think that probably there aren't many areas of law where mathematics is directly applicable, but maybe the critical thinking and problem solving skills that you aquire while doing maths are useful.

quite possibly yes- adds to their skill set. Plus, could make a grad fairly employable in one of the major bans etc with such strong problem solving and quant skills.

I have read once from a lawyer who said he had to use advanced calculus in a case he was doing- something to do with a physics firm and effect of product on environment or something- had to explain the mathematics in court but that was in US. Patent lawyers also need to be able to understand amths/science behind inventions they are handling.

 

[shannonm]

law firms pay engineers and scientists to appear in court to explain 'advanced calculus' shit.
because lawyers 1) don't know anything about advanced caluclus and 2) they understand that to convince anyone about anything maths/science related, they will need to throw a reputable expert in the field up there

patern lawyers (more correct: patent attorneys) are almost always ex-(industry) engineers or engineering phds that then do a masters in IP




and to the OP: it says under your name you're female. in nsw at least, you will have a piss easy time going through a maths degree, scholarships galore (women in maths, equity shit) they will throw money at you like crazy if you stick with it
if you want a higher chance of getting employed with applied maths skills, either engineering or financial maths is where you'll go;
"but the practical 0.o' i dunno.." - sounds like you need a batshit boring job such as a quant, actuary, risk mgt, economics, etc.
engineering is where you will get employed by your maths skills, but if you dont like practical stuff you should stick to financial maths

 

[tabbaa]

Hows psychology??? Is it easy

 

[puglover]

Hows psychology??? Is it easy

VCE psychology is easy because I really enjoy it.
Not that I have actually properly started studying it in class. I have just been reading the text book. Report writing could possibly be challenge though. I am not sure that I would enjoy studying psychology at a university level though.. my gut says no. I definately find VCE psychology personally satisfying.
tabbaa - there is always more to do! =]
I am not sure if I am actually going to do my VCE next year or not any more..
I might just go to RMIT and do the BA Applied Mathematics.. I have looked more thoroughly into the curriculm of the course and feel that by next year I should most likely be able to do First Year full time. I will be going to the Open Day in August to learn more about the course.
Either way, I shall be doing the Unit 2 of VCE psychology, math methods and specialist maths this year. So, that shall keep my skills up! I am not ready to take on full time study mid-year.. the little shits wouldn't let me anyway because I am not paying full-fee or international.
shannonm- Thanks a lot for that information! I will definately look into getting a scholarship. OooOoo how that would be nice.

Yeah the 'practical design' doesn't sound like me.. I could have the whole wrong idea about it.. but I did metal work at school and I wanted to cry cause I kept breaking the blade thingo rofl.
What about aviation haha? Not that I actually know much about it.. but I have always had a dream to fly a plane.. Although, that dream seems to be dying after I crashed my precious car and I saw the costs of lessons. But the maths in aviation could be cool as pictured in my imagination!

I really love my friends here.
I don't know why but I just feel this need to get out of Victoria.. so after 1st year uni I might try and transfer..

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Trying to find scholarships for the course I am applying for is tricky but I remain persistant on searching the website.. Perhaps, I should just ring?!

This was all that I could really find:

Invergowrie Foundation Scholarships
Applications are now open for 2008.
Applications close at 5:00PM on Wednesday 12th March 2008.
Download the Information and Application Form from here


The Invergowrie Foundation is a public charitable trust whose primary focus is to promote and advance the education of girls and women in Victoria.

From 2006, for 3 years to 2008, RMIT Science, Engineering and Technology Portfolio commenced offering three scholarships sponsored by the Invergowrie Foundation, for eligible Victorian female students commencing undergraduate degrees at RMIT University.

The aim of these scholarships is to provide educational opportunities in science, engineering and technology to women who have academic and professional leadership potential, but who might not otherwise participate in higher education for reasons of disadvantage.

The Invergowrie Foundation and RMIT Science Engineering and Technology Portfolio Scholarships for Women Agreement - can be downloaded here

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In 2008 there are three scholarships available:
1. $2000 per year for three years for women who are articulating from a TAFE program

The Invergowrie Foundation Pathways Scholarship for woman students who is articulating from a TAFE program into an undergraduate degree in an area of science, engineering or technology offered by RMIT in the State of Victoria, and who is disadvantaged in terms of access or under represented in terms of equity criteria..

2. $2000 per year for three years for women who are 21 years or older

The Invergowrie Foundation Scholarship for Adult Women who are 21 years of age or older enrolled to commence undergraduate study in an area of science, engineering or technology offered by RMIT in the State of Victoria, and who is disadvantaged in terms of access or under represented in terms of equity criteria.

3. $2000 per year for three years for women who gain access to RMIT through an RMIT Equity Access Scheme

The Invergowrie Foundation Equity Admission Scholarship for woman who successfully gains admission through an RMIT Equity Admission Scheme (SNAP, SEAS and ACESS) or who has completed two years at a designated SNAP school, and who is enrolled to commence undergraduate study in an area of science, engineering or technology offered by RMIT in the State of Victoria, and who is disadvantaged in terms of access or under represented in terms of equity criteria.

btw i really appreciate the posts from you guys.. very insightful!

 

[Cookie182]

law firms pay engineers and scientists to appear in court to explain 'advanced calculus' shit.
because lawyers 1) don't know anything about advanced caluclus and 2) they understand that to convince anyone about anything maths/science related, they will need to throw a reputable expert in the field up there

patern lawyers (more correct: patent attorneys) are almost always ex-(industry) engineers or engineering phds that then do a masters in IP




and to the OP: it says under your name you're female. in nsw at least, you will have a piss easy time going through a maths degree, scholarships galore (women in maths, equity shit) they will throw money at you like crazy if you stick with it
if you want a higher chance of getting employed with applied maths skills, either engineering or financial maths is where you'll go;
"but the practical 0.o' i dunno.." - sounds like you need a batshit boring job such as a quant, actuary, risk mgt, economics, etc.
engineering is where you will get employed by your maths skills, but if you dont like practical stuff you should stick to financial maths

Whilst what you are saying is true, you make a fairly large generalisation by saying that lawyers dont know 'anything' about advanced calculus. Whilst the majority of lawyers may come from humanities background, obviously to become a lawyer they need a reasonably high level of intelligence and marks such as a decent UAI (particularly for syd law) hence many come from 4U math backgrounds and maintain an interest in mathematics- some ppl will study it for electives at uni or do a double degree in it.

 

[Hakz]

Whilst what you are saying is true, you make a fairly large generalisation by saying that lawyers dont know 'anything' about advanced calculus. Whilst the majority of lawyers may come from humanities background, obviously to become a lawyer they need a reasonably high level of intelligence and marks such as a decent UAI (particularly for syd law) hence many come from 4U math backgrounds and maintain an interest in mathematics- some ppl will study it for electives at uni or do a double degree in it.

u seem to really like math r u sure law is for you? you cant pick maths electives for law cause its irrelevant

 

[Sammy-Blue]

u seem to really like math r u sure law is for you? you cant pick maths electives for law cause its irrelevant

Electives don't need to be relevant to the degree.

 

[puglover]

Hrmm.
I wonder...
is anyone here a member of the Australian Mathematics Society?
I am curious as to what it is like to be a member.

Also..
I am looking up the program structure of each of the subjects in the course.
It is actually pretty awesome. I could pretty much start studying for university now if I wanted.
I dunno if I am reading the page right.. http://mams.rmit.edu.au/eolprogsummaries/bp083p5ms
but which subjects are the elective ones?
I am just checking how much core mathematics there is in comparisson to statistics. 0.o'
I cannot wait to do the Algebra for Information Security (3rd year subject) course though!
And does anyone know where I can get the programs statistical package Minitab / SPSS, MATLAB, Maple & Mathematica so that I can have a bit of a play with them?

I shall still be doing unit 2 of the year 11 subjects methods, specialist and psychology this year.

 

[Hakz]

Electives don't need to be relevant to the degree.

well its would be advisable by any course coordinator not to pick subjects that are not relevant yo your degree. Thats why at uow law students cannot pick maths subjects, as it would be a waste, rather u have to pick Law electives.
Like for my degree i can only pick elec eng, IT and some commerce subjects because they are related.

 

[chucknthem]

But what if you want to study the natural laws of the universe?


*I'm sorry that was a terrible pun*

 

[puglover]

well its would be advisable by any course coordinator not to pick subjects that are not relevant yo your degree. Thats why at uow law students cannot pick maths subjects, as it would be a waste, rather u have to pick Law electives.
Like for my degree i can only pick elec eng, IT and some commerce subjects because they are related.

secondeded.. >.<!

I thought it was a good pun. =]!

 

[puglover]

I have come to the some what informed decision to do a BA in Applied Science (Mathematics) at RMIT part time for the first year.

I have read over the program structure extensively.
http://www.rmit.com.au/browse;ID=BP083
http://mams.rmit.edu.au/eolprogsummaries/bp083p5ms

And am emailing the course co-ordinator in regards to book lists and any suggestions he might have to be prepared for study.

 

[DTFM]

I have come to the some what informed decision to do a BA in Applied Science (Mathematics) at RMIT part time for the first year.

I have read over the program structure extensively.
http://www.rmit.com.au/browse;ID=BP083
http://mams.rmit.edu.au/eolprogsummaries/bp083p5ms

And am emailing the course co-ordinator in regards to book lists and any suggestions he might have to be prepared for study.

The reason that you have been getting those responses about doing a Bachelor of Arts is that BA stands for Bachelor of Arts.