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to answer ur first question bcz I didn't read the rest yet
this is smth that wsu clarified to me over phone call yesterday. with wsu med, your more competitive result will be considered between ATAR and GPA. if ur ATAR is more competitive than ur GPA at the point of ur application, then ur ATAR will get looked, and vice versa. so it's not both it's just the more competitive result

with gws I saw it on wsu's site on general med applicants, and basically ur eligible if you live in one of the listed postcodes, the condition is that you've been living in a gws for at least 5 years iirc so no if ur moving there you're not eligible
ye the image i posted above was confusing me with what they said
anyways TYSM ill buy you a full meal at a steakhouse one day
 

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Hey it would help if you guys could help clarify a few questions that I have about med as im not deadset on it yet but want the option and ill be trying for ucat this year.
1) lets say i do a undergrad degree in unsw this year and also sit ucat, and apply for wsu med. Would they care about my atar or would they care about the gpa i get or WAM (unsw specific)? because i might do a tough degree like actuary since I don't want to go on the deadset med route- i have many interests; and i want to be exposed to these different fields. Also how does the GWS thing work like lowered requirement if i just live in gws?? Would a person moving there also work hypothetically?? (asking for understanding the system)

2) Please help me understand the diff between post and udnergrad med. Postgrad is if i do like a health science degree and then apply for med, but its not guaranteed right?? Could someone explain the unsw system where u do medical science and they transfer u do medicine in second year or something so 2 years of med sci + 5 years of doctor of med??? please im quite confused on this, is it like guaranteed entry or like is this classified as post grad or undergrad bc ur going in ur second year??

3) How is the medical science/pre med pathways different to undergrad? You don't finish the degree and wait to transfer into the medicine course right? How does that work is it soley based on gpa and stuff? Is it like an extra thing u can do so u have multiple chances to get into med, so either the atar undergrad pathway or also a chance to move up directly?
Like if i did a different degree which is harder than med sci, i get a lower gpa compared to people gunning for med who are doing med sci so do they get the spots instead of me?? or is there different spots reserved for people who are doing medical science as in they are a different pool through which the selection occurs.

I just mainly want to know about the medical science pathway since im very confused on the difference between taking it vs doing another degree to get into undergrad med pls helpp?? also how does finishing med sci and then applying for postgrad med differ?
If someone could provide some input for this id be eternally grateful



EDIT: for unsw i found this is called the lateral entry scheme for medical science: www .unsw.edu.au/content/dam/pdfs/future-students/2021-09-degree-finder-files1/Lateral%20Entry%20Scheme%20for%20UNSW%20Medicine_April%202022.pdf. (remove the space after www)
so this is separate for medical science students in second year. I'm still a bit confused because what about first year, they can also apply first year using their atar and sitting ucat again right??



--> also is this different for usyd and other unis?
Ive been interested in WSU as well, if anyone knew about that?


so so sorry for the long read but i really need this information by today thanks 😭
1) according to wsu they will assess you on gpa, these are supposedly the minimums for non-gws applicants:
  • 1 semester or more but less than 1 year undergraduate (4-7 units) GPA = 6.4
  • 1 year or more but uncompleted undergraduate (8-23 units) GPA = 6.2

all gws applicants get is basically lower entry requirements, thats it

2) undergrad med -> ucat test (exceptions ofc), no need for full completion of a bachelors degree, interviews needed
postgrad med -> gamsat test, full completion of a bachelors degree and interviews needed,

neither are "guaranteed" as they are based on the interviews and competitiveness of results, undergrad is just safer since once you get in, you will be getting the doctor of medicine qualification (given that u meet gpa requirements and all that). whereas with postgrad, you might do a degree for 3 years just to get into med such as medsci, only to not get in, now u have a 3 year degree that is effectively useless (unless u like medsci).

at unsw, there is a lateral entry scheme for those undertaking medsci, in the 2nd year u will take the ucat, the ucat score and ur wam are in a 50:50 ratio in consideration for interviews, of which there are 20 to the most competitive people in the degree. then the top 10 people in the interviews will be offered a place in med. from this point, you will complete years 3, 4, 5, 6, 7. all the more concrete and subtle details are here:


3) premed pathways work on an individual basis for each uni, but here is the general process:
- u complete a 3 yr degree
- based on your gpa, there is a certain number of applicants who are guaranteed an interview (reserved spots), this usually bypasses other tests like ucat and gamsat
- then, a certain number of the top applicants in the interview will be offered a doctor of medicine

for most medsci, and some premed programs, the only difference is that gamsat is also required and will be factored in along with gpa.

edit: also for some medsci/premed programs there are no guaranteed spots, forgot to mention
 
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for most medsci, and some premed programs, the only difference is that gamsat is also required and will be factored in along with gpa.

edit: also for some medsci/premed programs there are no guaranteed spots, forgot to mention
First sentence: So now im a bit confused. I thought u take ucat for that and gamsat is for postgrad. Or are you referring to completely finishing premed, then gamsat for postgrad? With the exception being unsw med where the lateral scheme exists, so u can get into that AND if that doesn't work out also do postgrad with gamsat?

Second sentence: whats the case for unsw?? the document for lateral entry i think theres 20 guaranteed interview and 10 guaranteed spots of the med sci cohort?? bit confused. Also what do they mean by the sentence "Applicants are ranked and offers for a commonwealth supported place will be made to the top 10 applicants in December/January."?

Tysm for ur help
 

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since they said this ur prob right
I mean I hope so ☠ that's what bro told me but I'm gonna call again some other timeto confirm

bcz ive been thinking abt med it's a long story but my gpa from my undergrad (BSc at usyd) is shit, and I wanted to find out if I could still use my atar or if I had to start a new thing, like a new bachelor's or do master's or sum
 

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I mean I hope so ☠ that's what bro told me but I'm gonna call again some other timeto confirm

bcz ive been thinking abt med it's a long story but my gpa from my undergrad (BSc at usyd) is shit, and I wanted to find out if I could still use my atar or if I had to start a new thing, like a new bachelor's or do master's or sum
wait but if u finished ur bachelors u have to apply for postgrad right??
also what happened to wanting to study peoples teeth?
 

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I mean I hope so ☠ that's what bro told me but I'm gonna call again some other timeto confirm

bcz ive been thinking abt med it's a long story but my gpa from my undergrad (BSc at usyd) is shit, and I wanted to find out if I could still use my atar or if I had to start a new thing, like a new bachelor's or do master's or sum
ye teeth aint it, r u joining your bro in the same grade lmao
 

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wait but if u finished ur bachelors u have to apply for postgrad right??
also what happened to wanting to study peoples teeth?
no I think I could take a break from studying this yr or start smth else this year and still be able to apply for undergrad wsu med
studying ppls teef is still the goalπŸ˜‰πŸ˜‰

but idk guess ive been having what if thoughts
 

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Genuine question: Do people who study medicine actually have a life? I need my life, i cannot be studying my 20s away...
1 Like is it one of those u just need to study 24/7 and lose all ur hair to graduate?? if so i dont want that.
Or 2, is it like ur gonna have immense pressure during later years, but first year is a bit chill to get used to it, but u also have time to do like a part time job, enough time to do hobbys, as well as free time for just being a bit lazy e.g tv episode a day. Obv during exam periods i dont mind studying.

its its like 2 i dont mind because currently i can't lie i waste a lot of my time procrastinating and i really want to be the best version of myself by developing more dicipline whcih im working on rn, so that not only do i end up studying a lot but i also have time to live my life during uni because i cant be down the rabbit hole studying and then when i graduate i end up being unfamiliar with the world and the new trends and norms and the atrocities which the gen alphas would have normalised by then
 

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Genuine question: Do people who study medicine actually have a life? I need my life, i cannot be studying my 20s away...
1 Like is it one of those u just need to study 24/7 and lose all ur hair to graduate?? if so i dont want that.
Or 2, is it like ur gonna have immense pressure during later years, but first year is a bit chill to get used to it, but u also have time to do like a part time job, enough time to do hobbys, as well as free time for just being a bit lazy e.g tv episode a day. Obv during exam periods i dont mind studying.

its its like 2 i dont mind because currently i can't lie i waste a lot of my time procrastinating and i really want to be the best version of myself by developing more dicipline whcih im working on rn, so that not only do i end up studying a lot but i also have time to live my life during uni because i cant be down the rabbit hole studying and then when i graduate i end up being unfamiliar with the world and the new trends and norms and the atrocities which the gen alphas would have normalised by then
1) yes. Ppl who say otherwise are rare.
2) somewhat, depending what uni u go to (some unis are more intensive than others) and what’s ur undergrad degree into med (eg med sci at unsw compared to arts at usyd)
 

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Genuine question: Do people who study medicine actually have a life? I need my life, i cannot be studying my 20s away...
1 Like is it one of those u just need to study 24/7 and lose all ur hair to graduate?? if so i dont want that.
Or 2, is it like ur gonna have immense pressure during later years, but first year is a bit chill to get used to it, but u also have time to do like a part time job, enough time to do hobbys, as well as free time for just being a bit lazy e.g tv episode a day. Obv during exam periods i dont mind studying.

its its like 2 i dont mind because currently i can't lie i waste a lot of my time procrastinating and i really want to be the best version of myself by developing more dicipline whcih im working on rn, so that not only do i end up studying a lot but i also have time to live my life during uni because i cant be down the rabbit hole studying and then when i graduate i end up being unfamiliar with the world and the new trends and norms and the atrocities which the gen alphas would have normalised by then
can't say anything helpful but sincerely hope you find a career you enjoy (think most/all of bos agrees)
 

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1) yes. Ppl who say otherwise are rare.
2) somewhat, depending what uni u go to (some unis are more intensive than others) and what’s ur undergrad degree into med (eg med sci at unsw compared to arts at usyd)
nooooooooo

i will have no choice then but to transform into those crazy insta influencers who have a crazy study routine and so much time for life apparantly
 

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Genuine question: Do people who study medicine actually have a life? I need my life, i cannot be studying my 20s away...
1 Like is it one of those u just need to study 24/7 and lose all ur hair to graduate?? if so i dont want that.
Or 2, is it like ur gonna have immense pressure during later years, but first year is a bit chill to get used to it, but u also have time to do like a part time job, enough time to do hobbys, as well as free time for just being a bit lazy e.g tv episode a day. Obv during exam periods i dont mind studying.

its its like 2 i dont mind because currently i can't lie i waste a lot of my time procrastinating and i really want to be the best version of myself by developing more dicipline whcih im working on rn, so that not only do i end up studying a lot but i also have time to live my life during uni because i cant be down the rabbit hole studying and then when i graduate i end up being unfamiliar with the world and the new trends and norms and the atrocities which the gen alphas would have normalised by then
med is probably one of the most intensive degrees. you have to go through the hell that is the hierarchical system in hospitals, where senior doctors are known to yell at med students (i have heard this many times). on top of that subjects have an insane amount of content to cram, you need to have very good memorisation ability because you need to have such indepth knowledge to react to any situation you are given in work. you need to be incredibly dedicated, you basically need to commit your life to your studies and work. eg i have a relative (not in australia, but its similar) who has been at school for 10 years i think, studying to become a surgeon, and is still specialising. during this time she has been constantly studying, working placements, doing research for different institutions, travelling to different departments across the country etc all at the same time, not really much time for anything else when you are doing that. aus med is a bit lighter but still.

to put it straight, a med degree is not gonna be like a regular old degree like engineering where u just do assessments + study and maybe some placements and yippee congrats u get a good gpa and u can get a job. it is a pretty serious committment due to how serious the job is, this is why u are required to do heavy placement hours (can be night shift) have an extremely deep understanding of your field and be able to deal with basically any intense or stressful situation, peoples lives are in your hands after all. thats why u shouldnt just do it for the money, otherwise u will be burnt out real quick and not be having much fun.

theres probably some people studying med who do have a life, but they are probably 200 iq and are few and far between, because personally i could never.
 

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