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Im looking at doing this after I graduate:

http://www.rw.ethz.ch/master/uebersicht_masterstudiengang/index_EN
The core courses are courses which are of central importance in computational science and engineering. They equip students with computational mathematical methods and advanced knowledge of computer science.

List of core courses:

* Visualisation/Graphics
* Computational Statistics

The fields of specialisation provide deeper understanding of the areas of application in computational science and engineering.

List of fields of specialisation:

* Astrophysics
* Physics of the Atmosphere
* Chemistry and Biology
* Fluid Dynamics
* Control Theory
* Robotics
* Theoretical Physics
* Financial Engineering
* Electromagnetics
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MSc UZH ETH in Quantitative Finance
The specialized Master program MSc UZH ETH in Quantitative Finance (or before 2009: Master of Advanced Studies in Finance) is a joint degree program offered by the University of Zurich, represented by the Swiss Banking Institute within the Faculty of Economics, Business Administration and Information Technology, together with the Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zurich (ETH Zürich), represented by the Department of Mathematics.
The program is the core of the Center of Competence Finance in Zürich.
What would be a better preparation for trading/quant finance? I would even consider doing both (one after another) if the job market was depressed for a while (and assuming I couldnt find a job). At the moment, personally I prefer the Computational Science one.
 

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You might not have realised that the age of the coursework computational masters is over (eg Master of Fin Eng, Master of Quant Fin, Master of Stats, etc). Exotics desks and structuring teams have been wound down or are static - they are unlikely to recruit new grads for many years to come. These degrees are not cheap either (at least AUD 50k each) - to be saddled with multiple student loans is not a good start to life.

If you want a real quant career, just do a PhD overseas.

I've found having economic/econometrics background to be useful for trading.
 

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Those coursework masters are pretty much free (EUR1500 per year or something iirc). Thanks for the tip, learn something new everyday.

What would you suggest then? I dont have a particular desk I want to join (i.e. exotics, equities etc). Equities and other vanilliaesque desks are still hiring? I am probably doing honours in geophysics (finite element method modelling) next year, but really have no idea what do do after that (in the realm of finance at least).

I don't want to be a hardcore quant - my work ethic for maths is not that intense.

I see why you say an economics background is helpful since you trade bonds, but econometrics you have always said its a watered down version of stats...
 
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Those coursework masters are pretty much free (EUR1500 per year or something iirc). Thanks for the tip, learn something new everyday.

What would you suggest then? I dont have a particular desk I want to join (i.e. exotics, equities etc). Equities and other vanilliaesque desks are still hiring? I am probably doing honours in geophysics (finite element method modelling) next year, but really have no idea what do do after that (in the realm of finance at least).

I don't want to be a hardcore quant - my work ethic for maths is not that intense.

I see why you say an economics background is helpful since you trade bonds, but econometrics you have always said its a watered down version of stats...
Lol...for someone who like to promote finance forum on BoS I thought you would be answering more questions than asking them :p

These degrees are cheap for locals but for foreigners I'm not so sure...can you post up a link? I thought they rip the balls out of foreign students, like in the US. I know a few structuring grads who got laid off but still carrying AUD +60k student loans from MFEs from CMU and NYU.

I don't think anyone is hiring anyone at all...

I mean at the postgraduate level something in financial economics/econometrics could be useful down the track. On the econometrics side, it's something I've wanted to do because

1) knowing some maths and stats theory gives you an enormous advantage compared to most econometrics people in the tools you can use for modeling, and
2) they aren't afraid to get their hands dirty with data and to empirically establish that the models are sound, instead of burying themselves in more and more theory that may not be applicable if the model doesn't work in the first place.

Most econometrics use time series/regression discrete time models that are backward looking (based on historical data), and not forward looking indicators from the market, eg implied vols, which require knowledge of continuous time stochastic models.
 

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Well, if I was a trader in a Bank, then the story would be different.... There are times to be humble and take advice from those who have greater knowledge than you.

Joshi seems to keep promoting his coursework masters, so I dont think it is as dire as you think (I think the economy will get worse, however I have at least 1.5 yrs of undergrad left). Ibanks still claim to be taking the normal intake of interns across all divisions.


ETH - Rektorat - Semestergebühren/-beiträge

It's 580CHF for the comp sci masters per semester, and 700CHF for the finance masters. Hence the reason I chose it. Im not willing to pick LSE or something at this stage which will cost upwards of 20 000 pounds.

So you are saying that pure statisticians tend to bury themselves in too much theory?
 

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I've found having economic/econometrics background to be useful for trading.
When you say an economics background do you mean a background related to studies or more personal practical knowledge (watching the news and such)

I myself am in a stage where I need to chose between doing an intensive mathematics degree and an economics degree containing some econometrics
 

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