On the day of HSC results, what is given to us? (2 Viewers)

[BOSBOY]

ive heard about 30 diff stories... and one is that the way its broken down is 60% HSC and 40% internal

No, it's 50% assessment and 50% exam.

 

[timw7845]

No, it's 50% assessment and 50% exam.

as i said 30 diff stories... that suits me just fine.. i got good internal marks...

 

[youngminii]

Folks, I'm getting confused as to what UAC utilises for the calculation of the ATAR. On their website, it states:

The actual calculation of your ATAR is a complex process that begins with scaling your raw HSC marks and ends with ranking you among your entire Year 7 cohort.

In terms of 'raw HSC marks', is that the final overall HSC mark, or am I dreaming? Is it simply the external HSC examination mark? Thus our ranking is pretty much useless, in terms of affecting the marking in which UAC utilises?

Note the word: begins. Your school assessment counts for 50%, don't worry.

 

[ajdlinux]

raw HSC mark is the mark u got from ur HSC exam witout the scaling stuffs..

yeah.. speakin of raw HSC marks.. is it possible for us to get our raw HSC marks from BoS?? cause i wanna know how well i went.. rofl..

At present, you can make use of the Freedom of Information Act, which is what I've done - there's more than enough written about that in the UAI/HSC Marks (Technical Arcana) forum somewhere.

 

[tinkz17]

hey can anyone help me how do we recieve our hsc results? and what should one get in each subject to recive a atar of 30 or less?

 

[narno]

I am soooo confused i thought your rank was important????? thats what my careers adviser said she has been estimating everyones ATAR according to their ranks. As she told me that your internal mark is not important unless everyone in the whole of NSW sat the exact same assessments, so only your ranks are. She told me thats why we do HSC so that it can even everyone out and act as a equaliser. That is so crap if my ranks dont help me

 

[elliotkool]

i havent been able to think past november the 3rd yet (my last exam)

 

[danal353]

Yeah so essentially you can estimate your ATAR with your marks the day before the actual ATAR's are released.

omg a whole day before!!!!

 

[ajdlinux]

I am soooo confused i thought your rank was important????? thats what my careers adviser said she has been estimating everyones ATAR according to their ranks. As she told me that your internal mark is not important unless everyone in the whole of NSW sat the exact same assessments, so only your ranks are. She told me thats why we do HSC so that it can even everyone out and act as a equaliser. That is so crap if my ranks dont help me

Yes, your ranks are used to adjust your school assessment marks in the moderation process. It's a rather confusing process, but suffice to say it's worked well enough so far.

 

[gabgab]

your ranks is used to calculate the mark you get for your external exam.

e.g, if you are internally ranked 7th in english advanced, and you got 93 as your exam mark... then they add that to the exam mark that the 7th ranked external exam mark got from your cohort from your school, then they average it. that doesnt make sense reading back over it, so ill explain it like this:

Bobby = 1st in assess
Freddy = 2nd in assess
micky = 3rd in assess
davey = 4th in assess

freddy = 1st in exam
davey = 2nd in exam
micky 3rd in exam
bobby = 4th in external exam

to calculate bobby's mark, they would add the mark he got in the external exam to freddy's exam mark and average it.

:-0

 

[melsc]

your ranks is used to calculate the mark you get for your external exam.

e.g, if you are internally ranked 7th in english advanced, and you got 93 as your exam mark... then they add that to the exam mark that the 7th ranked external exam mark got from your cohort from your school, then they average it. that doesnt make sense reading back over it, so ill explain it like this:

Bobby = 1st in assess
Freddy = 2nd in assess
micky = 3rd in assess
davey = 4th in assess

freddy = 1st in exam
davey = 2nd in exam
micky 3rd in exam
bobby = 4th in external exam

to calculate bobby's mark, they would add the mark he got in the external exam to freddy's exam mark and average it.

:-0

This.

The main reason for this is otherwise schools would give their students high marks so they'd perform well. You'd also have problems with students sitting different exams/assessments/marked with different criteria.

 

[BOSBOY]

your ranks is used to calculate the mark you get for your external exam.

e.g, if you are internally ranked 7th in english advanced, and you got 93 as your exam mark... then they add that to the exam mark that the 7th ranked external exam mark got from your cohort from your school, then they average it.

:-0

Sorry, but that is nonsense. Moderation does NOT reallocate individual exam marks, other than the first and last exam marks. See this article for a correct understanding: http://www.users.on.net/~unix/HSCmarks.pdf

 

[puffiijamii]

^^
So practically speaking, your rank in a subject is pretty much useless, in terms of what it can do for your ATAR?

Fantastic... what a great Christmas present...

Nope. Your mark = 50% Internal and 50% External. External is how you do in the HSC. Internal is based on your ranks. Your school will send in your ranks to the BOS. Say you are 5th in English in your school. That means, that however your school performs in the HSC, the 5th highest mark that you guys get belongs to you. Thus, your mark will be an average of that 5th highest mark of your school and your own mark. If you're ranked last in a subject, you get the lowest mark that you guys score for that subject in your HSC. And if you're first, you will get the highest, etc. etc. So ranks are actually very important and not at all useless. I wish my ranks were better. LOL.

 

[eldore44]

How can people not know how the process works by now?

 

[kristiejade]

how do we access our marks and ATAR once they're released? is it on the UAC site?

 

[Rainie]

Yes, your ATAR and marks can be accessed via the UAC site or SMS (if you registered for it to be sent). Your HSC marks are released on the 16th December. ATAR is released the following day.

 

[5233andy]

Sorry, Eldore44, it's just that the more I think of the notion of the ATAR, the more convoluted my mind gets.

Nope. Your mark = 50% Internal and 50% External. External is how you do in the HSC. Internal is based on your ranks. Your school will send in your ranks to the BOS. Say you are 5th in English in your school. That means, that however your school performs in the HSC, the 5th highest mark that you guys get belongs to you. Thus, your mark will be an average of that 5th highest mark of your school and your own mark. If you're ranked last in a subject, you get the lowest mark that you guys score for that subject in your HSC. And if you're first, you will get the highest, etc. etc. So ranks are actually very important and not at all useless. I wish my ranks were better. LOL.

Yeah, I know that the HSC mark is the average of your internal and external marks and the idea of the student retaining their rank throughout the external examination process. What I don't understand is what UAC uses for the calculation of the ATAR. If it is purely the raw mark, then logically, one's rank would have no effect on the ATAR. I know I'm being a pest, but at the moment, I'm thinking that if someone did poorly throughout the year but performed well in the exam (despite their rank allowing their mark to be moderated to be a relatively low mark), their ATAR would be remarkably high...

Please prove me wrong...

 

[BOSBOY]

Say you are 5th in English in your school. That means, that however your school performs in the HSC, the 5th highest mark that you guys get belongs to you. Thus, your mark will be an average of that 5th highest mark of your school and your own mark.

Nope, still wrong. Please see http://www.users.on.net/~unix/HSCmarks.pdf