Pain in the lower shin/ankle whilst running (1 Viewer)

[pattherat111]

Hi guys

I have this weird problem whilst running, i get a pretty heavy pain in the front of my leg pretty much at the bottom of the shin and front part of the ankle.

I think its not shin splints but not sure

i only get it when hitting the pavement in my joggers (new balance) i don't get it when playing rugby only whilst running. I can do other sports fine just running

but the funny thing is it goes away after about a min or two after i stop running.

Other details:
About 85kg - 180cm tall - 17


Thanks in advance

 

[hermand]

it sounds like shin splints to me. or weak ankles.

i've had shin splints basically my whole life and that's kind of what it feels like to me, but it's a very broad term.

you need to strengthen your ankles, wobble boards etc, and stretch your shin muscles. sounds weird, but put a thickish book on the floor, and put half your foot on it so it stretches the muscles in the front of your leg.

 

[hermand]

it sounds like shin splints to me. or weak ankles.

i've had shin splints basically my whole life and that's kind of what it feels like to me, but it's a very broad term.

you need to strengthen your ankles, wobble boards etc, and stretch your shin muscles. sounds weird, but put a thickish book on the floor, and put half your foot on it so it stretches the muscles in the front of your leg.

 

[pattherat111]

i probably have missed an important piece of information but i did do a grade 2 tear to the muscle running up that region but that was in 06 and did have extensive physio

Thanks for the reply btw

 

[extensorindicis]

Do you have private health insurance like mbf nib etc? If so i would suggest going to a physio they'll do an ultrasound of the region at their office and you'll get a better idea as to what is wrong because shin splints is very broad. It could be something to do with the ankle joint itself considering when your at rest it feels fine.

 

[pattherat111]

Yer i do. ok that sounds interesting i might check that one out

thanks for that

 

[hermand]

that's alright. yeah i'd recommend physio. even if it's just one appointment to diagnose the problem. ultrasounds etc are probably unnecessary, they can usually tell what is wrong by feeling around the area and gauging your reactions to the pain.

 

[rozymisty]

If its your foot, id prob go and actually see a podiatrist, rather than a physio coz they are more specialised in the foot area naturally.

 

[extensorindicis]

Hermand: yeah theyll probably know without ultrasound i was getting a tad excited theres never any physio related health issues on BOS

rozymisty: hmm yeah he could go but arn't they mostly for fungal infections like tinea sp(?) ingrown toe nails etc? just try the physio first

let us know what it was just curious

 

[pattherat111]

will do, ill probably find out on the weekend i have a mates whos a physio so he might give me a quick consult

 

[loquasagacious]

OP: Stress fractures or maybe inflamed tendons?

PS: extensorindicis try this for physio-related health issues: having a hip arthroscope in 24 days for a cartilage tear, also had a torn psoas major. Currently have a nagging climbers elbow and fractured toe.

 

[extensorindicis]

loquasagacious: dude im a first year lol but umm you shouldn't worry about an arthroscopy basically they'll insert an endoscope type thing into the coxofemoral (hip) joint capsule ithrough one hole and repair the joint cartilage that has according to you been torn and there will be a second hole where a camera is inserted to see it all being done.

A cartilage tear isn't like a muscle/ligament/tendon tear etc. Cartliage is like a soft cushion type thing that is attached onto the head of the femur and it basically articulates or rotates inside the hip joint and reduces the friction between the femur head and acetablum (sockot on pelvis).

So you must have had some serious force on your leg because at your young age you shouldn't have worn it out. Most likely part of it has been torn of and is floating within the synovial fluid and is increasing friction and hence causing your pain.

They'll probably replace it with artificial cartilage or just take the loose bit out. Complications include infections and rarely nerve damage to sciatic nerve. You should be able to walk on it on the day as its just key hole surgery. Even with hip replacements you can walk on it after a day no biggie.

RE: psoas major not sure maybe just phyio but see what the orthapaedic surgeon says obviously he must be aware of it as its around the same region (same incident).

climbers elbow is just another name for tennis elbow i think just see your physio theyll sort you out with probably some soft tissue manipulation, ultra sound therapy and recomend some anti inflammatory druges.

well fractured toe will just heal 8 weeks i think how on earth did you do all of this? car accident affecting one side?

 

[loquasagacious]

Don't worry, not expecting medical advice more sharing it in case you were interested. I have a physio, a sports doc and an orthopaedic surgeon for that. All of which are very good. The first two are former athletes who competed at a national/international level and now work with several of the Australian teams/elite athletes (one perk of Canberra is the AIS). The surgeon is one of the very few (<5 I think) in Australia who specialise in hip arthroscopy, operates on AFL players, etc.

Arthroscope:
- It's an anterior-superior labral tear, appears small on the MRI but apparently that can be deceptive.
- Depending on the extent of a the tear the surgeon will either cut out the damage (small tear) or stitch it up and anchor it (large tear).
- Getting the surgery done by Hip Arthroscopy Australia who are apparently the guys to get this done by.
- I'll probably be on crutches for at least a week. The surgery isn't so much the issue because it's keyhole. But to get in there they will essentially dislocate my leg (under a general), it will take a while to recover from that.
- Phased rehab/physio after that and all going well I should have full range of motion in 6 weeks, and strength in 12 weeks.
- Injury was caused by powerlifting. Squatting much heavier (150kg) than I should have been after an extended period off training. Had a bit of soreness. Then spent the next three days, beach-running, beach-soccer, bushwalking and rockclimbing which aggravated the injury to the point that I could barely use that leg.
- Probably tore the psoas at the same time.

Psoas Tear:
- This was the original diagnosis for my injury
- There was a tear, had physio for it and it got better
- With the psoas healed it became apparent that there was a labral tear

Climbers Elbow:
- Similar to tennis elbow but I think it is a different tendon which is inflamed.
- Can't work my legs so I've been hammering my upper body. This has aggravated my elbow (esp pull-ups and handstand push-ups), so now I can't work the upper body either.
- The treatment for it is some soft-tissue work, and strengthening exercises but mostly rest. AFAIK there isn't much solid data supporting any specific intervention.

Fractured toe:
- I think it's been more than 8 weeks already.
- This was probably a stubbed toe or something.
- Toes take ages to heal though because they can't be immobilised.

Causes:
- No car accidents or other calamities
- Pushing too hard at the gym
- Pushing through pain on an adventure-weekend
- Stubbing my toe

 

[extensorindicis]

thanks man its been an interesting read. your certainly very active. I'm sure it will turn out well. Lol do you wanna know how they dislocate the hip. Under genA they lift your leg up, laterally rotate it (rotate it away from the midline of your body) then lift it behind towards your buttocks and wellah! it pops out, the lecturer said she's been in one where they did it and it made a distinctive popping sound! FUN

GL with it all

 

[loquasagacious]

For this op they use a special operating table and traction it open (because they aren't actually fully dislocating it). Which tbh sounds pretty nasty anyway. Yay for generals and painkillers...

 

[pattherat111]

sorry for the late reply.

saw a physio today for another injury i had and mentioned the ankle. He didnt look at it but from my description he said that he thinks the two bones are like tending outwards (splitting) everytime i run, creating the pain.