chaldoking
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Search and you will find - the amount of evidence for the existence of God is astounding. Naturalism is the worst possible solution.
No, you are simplifying the issue. I don't believe in unicorns or centaurs as very obviously they are human constructions and would serve no purpose. Aliens, in the form of life on other planets I believe is possible. You act like there is zero evidence or reason for a god's existence. Take a look out the fucking window, read a book on biology and tell me you aren't amazed at what 'mother nature' (scientists word for when they don't want to admit a deity) has formed. An agnostic or an atheist is telling me respectively that it created itself or was created from nothing, all this intelligent design, or that we cannot tell.So I take it you believe in aliens, unicorns, centaurs, and other magical bullshit? It's not near sighted, it's realistic. People have claimed to have seen aliens, and in some cases can even provide 'evidence' to prove they've seen an alien, but we shun them away and call them insane because empirical evidence cannot be afforded. Just because they have a video tape of something they claim to be an alien, it doesn't mean it is an alien.
Of course it is - those with intelligence are more likely to believe. Why? Because God is wisdom and from wisdom stems intelligence.Jay-Dupree said:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2111174/Intelligent-people-'less-likely-to-believe-in-God'.html
What do you guys think. Is a belief in god linked to your intelligence?<!-- / message -->
And for all we know, a flying spaghetti monster could have created everything I see out the window. How can you be so sure that it is the actions of God which have created everything we see?TacoTerrorist said:No, you are simplifying the issue. I don't believe in unicorns or centaurs as very obviously they are human constructions and would serve no purpose. Aliens, in the form of life on other planets I believe is possible. You act like there is zero evidence or reason for a god's existence. Take a look out the fucking window, read a book on biology and tell me you aren't amazed at what 'mother nature' (scientists word for when they don't want to admit a deity) has formed. An agnostic or an atheist is telling me respectively that it created itself or was created from nothing, all this intelligent design, or that we cannot tell.
Unfortunatley, many people are blind (spiritually that is).TacoTerrorist said:No, you are simplifying the issue. I don't believe in unicorns or centaurs as very obviously they are human constructions and would serve no purpose. Aliens, in the form of life on other planets I believe is possible. You act like there is zero evidence or reason for a god's existence. Take a look out the fucking window, read a book on biology and tell me you aren't amazed at what 'mother nature' (scientists word for when they don't want to admit a deity) has formed. An agnostic or an atheist is telling me respectively that it created itself or was created from nothing, all this intelligent design, or that we cannot tell.
Because God transcends time. Scientists are under the perception that there was an exact time in which the universe began, if so why have they been unable to explain exactly 'how it originated'? Furthermore, if the universe had an exact time in which it began, and scientists use the word matter - would matter not be transcendant - thus a belief similar to that of Aristotle in relation to God?Numbers said:And for all we know, a flying spaghetti monster could have created everything I see out the window. How can you be so sure that it is the actions of God which have created everything we see?
God in the context I am describing is not the Christian God but simply a being of high intelligence whose characteristics can only be defined by the methods used to create life. If this deity or 'God' physically looks like a flying spaghetti monster then so be it.And for all we know, a flying spaghetti monster could have created everything I see out the window. How can you be so sure that it is the actions of God which have created everything we see?
How can God be a human construct, if God is transcendent?Enteebee said:God is very obviously a human construction, now whether there actually is a God of some type is another question... but your 'idea' of God is without a doubt nothing more than your construction. You are a being living in a reality of provisional truths trying to make assumptions about the nature of reality outside of that provisional reality. It is simply impossible (as far as I know) for you to be even close to right... Whatever mechanism of logic/knowledge/whatever you use will be a product of something within this provisional reality and may very well not at all represent what is beyond our current capability.
You don't understand what the scientists are talking about, for starters they only ever talk about the beggining of time for our observable universe. It is very well possible that there is something beyond this which is simply unobservable to us...chaldoking said:Because God transcends time. Scientists are under the perception that there was an exact time in which the universe began, if so why have they been unable to explain exactly 'how it originated'? Furthermore, if the universe had an exact time in which it began, and scientists use the word matter - would matter not be transcendant - thus a belief similar to that of Aristotle in relation to God?
Transcendence is a human construct?chaldoking said:How can God be a human construct, if God is transcendent?
That is exactly what I think about your position.Enteebee said:...You are a being living in a reality of provisional truths trying to make assumptions about the nature of reality outside of that provisional reality. It is simply impossible (as far as I know) for you to be even close to right... Whatever mechanism of logic/knowledge/whatever you use will be a product of something within this provisional reality and may very well not at all represent what is beyond our current capability.
Why should there be any universe at all?Enteebee said:You don't understand what the scientists are talking about, for starters they only ever talk about the beggining of time for our observable universe. It is very well possible that there is something beyond this which is simply unobservable to us...
Take for instance 'cosmic microwave background radiation', in a trillion years time if there is a civilization on a planet somewhere in our universe they will be unable to observe the cosmic microwave background radiation, they will not know that the universe is expanding.
I don't make such assumptions. My point is that I stick to my provisional truths (useful analytical statements / empirical hetero-phenomenological experiences) and say that everything outside of that is meaningless as I simply have no way to construct meaning about any of it, so it may as well not exist, for I can know no better than that it does.TacoTerrorist said:That is exactly what I think about your position.
God transcends time. Time is a human construct.Enteebee said:Transcendence is a human construct?
Why should there be any god at all? I have no idea... maybe asking 'why' is pointless?chaldoking said:Why should there be any universe at all?
God is love. God is truth. God is wisdom. God is hope.Enteebee said:Why should there be any god at all? I have no idea... maybe asking 'why' is pointless?
AHAHAHAHAHA! This seriously gave me an early morning laugh. Thank you.chaldoking said:God is love. God is truth. God is wisdom. God is hope.