Police and Community (1 Viewer)

[Comrade nathan]

This needs discussing.

Ill give the run down.

On Friday the 26th an autopsy was released showing Cameron Doomadgee a resident of Palm Island, had died from broken ribs and a punctured lung. These fatal wounds he received while in police custody, on Friday the the week before.
On the same day the autopsy was released " Up to 300 islanders stormed the police station, setting fire to it with a petrol bomb. They also destroyed the police residence" -ABC News online http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200411/s1252772.htm

Queensland Premier Peter Beattie, Police Minister Judy Spence left yesturday for Palm Island.

What i have found interesting is how these officials like to aviod the cause for the riot. Here is some example of what these people have to say.

"I will make it clear that obviously what's happened is unacceptable," he said. "We want to make sure that we move on from here and that's what we will seek to do and I will spell that out, but we want to move on from here. We don't want this to be repeated."

-Queensland Premier Peter Beattie

Jumps straight to the riot, some how he missed the main reason for the riot. It now is more unacceptable to riot with cause then murder some one in custody.

"I must say that I'm shocked and surprised at what has happened. Obviously, we thought there might be some ongoing difficulties but we didn't expect anything like this."

-Queensland Police Commissioner Bob Atkinson

Yes very shocking that a community would be so enraged over a death in custody. Notice how he says a ongoing difficulties, but doesnt mention the police.

"This is no message to show to the children of the island. We don't want to be teaching people that they have a right to take the law into their own hands, as some people on Palm Island have done."

-Police Minister Judy Spence

Is this right Judy? When the law is inlawful who better to bring back the law and order then the people suffering from police brutality. But Judy thinks that no matter what the police do communities should just shut up and not take the law in there own hands.

The government either does notet it or they want to cover it up. These tactics are common with the government, rather admit there is a problem in the relationships between Police and the comminity just say there is a problem with community. They like to mention the death then quickly fade away from the death then turn straight to the community. They also like to act dumb and shock, they say how they couldnt believe the outcome. Then move onto to blaming the community leaders for the problem geting out of hand. In conclusion they have developed a great solution, more cops. What better way to bring law and order to a community fighting police brutality then to add more police. The next day 80 police were sent to the community.

This also happens in other instances. In the redfern riots the police and other officials followed the same procedure.

The riot was justified in the Palm Island community. It wasnt harsh or unexpected. It was obvious the outcome would result in riot. The people were angry and wanted justice, they collectivly formed the movement to riot and destroy the police station. They weren't crazy, and it wasn't informal. On the same day people had parked cars on the air strip stoping any planes from landing. When police are unlawful, the community has the right to step in and bring the required action to the authority figure. The police are always answerable to the community.

The Queensland's governments solution is more police and they have arrested 11 people over the riot. What needs to happen is social reform. There needs to better living standards, employement and education. More police will not bring this, the police are limited. Their powers only reach to end result of environment of these communities. Their not arresting criminals which aim to harm communites, they are arrested the victims of a deprived society. The building of a new community will also bring new procedures for the police.

It's hardly fair to blame the victims of poverty and unemployement, but rather we should blame the causes of these social problems.

 

[Generator]

True, but avenues to contest the state's actions do exist. However, I do realise that in such a community (i.e., a disadvantaged and remote indigenous community) the state is unlikely to be seen as anything but an oppressive force.

I agree that there is an immediate need for reform rather than a reaction.

 

[thorrnydevil]

I think the Island needs a strong pernament police force to control the citizens. On the news an Aboriginal elder said they wanted autonomy, I wonder how they would survive without any social security, grog and smokes. *ponders* Yes, this is a generalisation.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Yes nathan because of course whenever a middle-aged white australian gets killed in jail we all go rioting burning down buildings and threatening people's lives.

 

[Comrade nathan]

Im talking about death in custody.

 

[tattoodguy]

I dont get something............so the police murdered someone? if so...u should have a licence to killl those police burn down the police station etc...........that sounds fair to me.

if the police want to have a special job and carry guns and shit..and carry themsevles in the commmunity like there so fucking almighty and shit.............and they fuck up...............................let those cunts burn.

people should have the fucking right to over trhow the government, murder police, and burn down police stations etc...............when the government and police abuse there power in an extreme way.

goood on you ..u fucking abos.....................serioulsy.

Thats if the police murdered this dude.....................in any event..................pple shouldnt die in custody from voilence.....................even if it was like...............prisoner on prisoner voilence.

........................redfern riots and now this.................im gaining more and more respect for abos every year.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Comrad nathan... when tattoodguy is on ur side u know you're on the wrong side of the argument.

 

[tattoodguy]

I see nothing wrong with any man who takes the law into his own hands to right a wrong, even if that means challenging the police.

The laws in this country are shit................our government sux..and the police are fucked.

Anyone who riots, etc etc etc.......................................i respect.

I think things will get worse...in the next few years............im sure there will be an even biggger riot or a terrorist act and i cant wait ................lol...........

what do you think pppple?


When the red fern riots happened...and that big fire cracker went offf at the police...............rofl...............fucking hillarious.

 

[lengstar]

Comrad nathan... when tattoodguy is on ur side u know you're on the wrong side of the argument.

Not neccessarily.

 

[thorrnydevil]

I dont get something............so the police murdered someone? if so...u should have a licence to killl those police burn down the police station etc...........that sounds fair to me.

if the police want to have a special job and carry guns and shit..and carry themsevles in the commmunity like there so fucking almighty and shit.............and they fuck up...............................let those cunts burn.

people should have the fucking right to over trhow the government, murder police, and burn down police stations etc...............when the government and police abuse there power in an extreme way.

goood on you ..u fucking abos.....................serioulsy.

Thats if the police murdered this dude.....................in any event..................pple shouldnt die in custody from voilence.....................even if it was like...............prisoner on prisoner voilence.

........................redfern riots and now this.................im gaining more and more respect for abos every year.

You were looking for a job right? Where was it at so I can email them this post?

 

[thorrnydevil]

Not neccessarily.

Yes necessarily.

 

[tattoodguy]

thorny devil...............as much as i consider u to be a dick head..................u do tend to make me larf alot.


so if one of ur family memebers died in police custody..u dont think u have the right to..................do something?

the laws in this country are mostly fucked up....................Alot of the regulations in this country are so morally compromised...........they just exist to make it easy for the government to enslave us and give police the authority to violate our freedoms and privacy.

AS many of the laws are clearly fucked up in this country...........i think its fine for ppple to break alot of the laws from a moral point of view.....

Devil i know u said ur uncle died being a cop..............but get offf ur knees bro and stop sucking on cops dicks.................maybe ur uncle was a good bloke fine........but it doesnt mean.........police dont make mistakes and shouldnt be accountable.

u should start a new religion praising the fucking police, u act like there fucking gods or something.

I never seee u say anyting bad about them...ur one twisted individual bro.

 

[Comrade nathan]

Shameful history

Of the many Aboriginal reserves set up across Queensland, Palm
Island in particular gained a reputation as a "punishment place",
a reputation which remains to this day.

Before white invasion in north Queensland, Palm Island belonged
to the Manbarra people. Descendants of the Manbarra were still
living on the tropical island, 65 kilometres north east of
Townsville, when in 1914 the Queensland Government gazetted the
Island as a reserve.

No further action was taken by the Government until 1918 when a
cyclone flattened the Hull River Aboriginal Reserve near Tully.
The Queensland Protector, JW Bleakley, then decided that Palm
Island would become the replacement site. He regarded the
location as an ideal place to confine Aboriginal and Islander
people who were regarded by white society as "problem cases" and
"uncontrollables".

Over the next two decades around 1630 people from 40 different
Aboriginal groups across Queensland were removed by the
Department and deposited on the Island.

Removal to Palm Island was the heaviest punishment a Department
officer could legally administer. In charge of the new reserve
settlement was an ex-army captain, Robert Curry, a man with no
previous administrative experience.

From the start the settlement was underfinanced, with the
residents of the island surviving on meagre rations and living in
complete poverty. Leprosy and venereal disease spread through the
settlement and the doctors appointed to the island were less than
competent in their approach to medicine.

No inspections of Palm Island were made by the Department until
the Governor of Queensland, Donald Thatcher, visited in 1923 and
was critical of the squalid living conditions he observed.

This quickly led to a visit by the Protector Bleakley but no real
improvement in conditions occurred. Administrator Curry continued
to feud with the other white staff on the Island. Gradually he
succumbed to the combined effects of alcoholism and mental
illness and in February 1930 he went on a destructive rampage,
killing his own children and torching several buildings before he
was shot by one of his own Aboriginal staffers.

As was the case on all Queensland reserves, the residents of Palm
Island were subject to strict supervision. Conditions were jail-
like. No one could leave the Island without the superintendent's
permission and he had the power to censor all outgoing mail.

Speaking Aboriginal languages was forbidden. Employment
opportunities were limited and the wages earned by Aboriginal
workers were "managed" and misappropriated by the Department.
Despite this high level of enforced control, poor health
conditions continued to prevail. In 1957 a series of incidents
involving the staff treatment of Aboriginal women and a decision
by the Department to cut wages, led to a strike by the residents.

The Department responded by expelling 25 identified ringleaders
of the resistance, and their families, from the island. A second
strike occurred in 1974 when the Department sacked the local
Community Council and threatened to turn control of the Island
over to the Townsville City Council.

The Department finally relinquished control of the Island in 1985
when title for the Island was passed to the Community Council in
the form of a DOGIT. (Deed of Grant in Trust.)

While this gave the residents a greater say in the administration
of the island, the transfer of title led to the removal of much
of the Government infrastructure. Soon after the decision was
made, barges arrived and houses, shops, the timber mill and
farming equipment were disassembled and shipped back to the
mainland.

Like many remote communities, Palm Island today continues to
grapple with social problems including high unemployment, alcohol
abuse and crime, a direct legacy of 80 years of mismanagement and
abuse by Queensland Governments.

There are now reports that 18 young people from Palm Island are
being held in Townsville and have been refused bail and 80 police
on the island are looking for more people to arrest.

http://www.cpa.org.au/garchve04/1209palm.html

 

[thorrnydevil]

thorny devil...............as much as i consider u to be a dick head..................u do tend to make me larf alot.


so if one of ur family memebers died in police custody..u dont think u have the right to..................do something?

the laws in this country are mostly fucked up....................Alot of the regulations in this country are so morally compromised...........they just exist to make it easy for the government to enslave us and give police the authority to violate our freedoms and privacy.

AS many of the laws are clearly fucked up in this country...........i think its fine for ppple to break alot of the laws from a moral point of view.....

Devil i know u said ur uncle died being a cop..............but get offf ur knees bro and stop sucking on cops dicks.................maybe ur uncle was a good bloke fine........but it doesnt mean.........police dont make mistakes and shouldnt be accountable.

u should start a new religion praising the fucking police, u act like there fucking gods or something.

I never seee u say anyting bad about them...ur one twisted individual bro.

Yes, we do have the right to do something. You can take the issue to court, speak to your MP, make a complaint with the police. You don't burn down a Police Station.

BTW, I'm glad we both consider each other dick heads.

 

[tattoodguy]

devil............seriously bro..

if its proven.....the police.....they did nothing wrong.............fine charge all the abos......

but if its proven..................the police basically killed the bloke. or let the bloke die out of negligence......

i fully suppport all the abos................burning shit down..................and even worse.


if you want to hold urself up above society, and regulate ppple etc, .......judges/police..............and u make a mistake ----------------u must pay a very very very very heavy price ................. and if you cant take it on the chin.................u should never have held urself up so highly in the first place........................cos ur a peice of shit.

YOu want them to write a letter? lol..........why should the abos be nice.....and law abiding ----IF the cops werent...........
its up in the air.............................if its proven the police fucked up.....all charges should be dismissed...against the abos.........and vice versa

 

[Not-That-Bright]

wat? if one cop had abused some dude and he'd died.. that means they should all suffer and die?

 

[tattoodguy]

thats right

cos.............if me and u...were in a car.................and i killed a cop.....................u would be up shit creeeek toooo.

if the cops want to be like that..................they got live and die by the same rules.

if you kill someone in ur house........the cops i think take ur house etc................so................if they killed someone..in the police station........the commmunity shoudl have the right to take the police station and burn it to the ground.

I call it down the line...........im nautural...........until i find out..if the cops fucked up.

does anyone know what hpappned to the abo???????????? how did he die????? how did he get injured etc?>

 

[Comrade nathan]

How about we stop using the word abo's. It can be offensive, and since the moderaters are so shit at their job i hope you will restrain yourself and not use they word.

 

[Comrade nathan]

wat? if one cop had abused some dude and he'd died.. that means they should all suffer and die?

This is two tattoodguy who i suspect doesnt even care for justice just believe ins draconian law or some shit.

The burning of the police station was a build of a whole lot fo complicated issues. This is a nation wide problem. Stop looking at it so narrowly.

If in a white community a middle class man was killed in police custody the police station wouldn't be burnt down. Why? That social strata could afford law and we could garuntee it would be constantly fought for. But its different when your part of a wide community that constantly is having problems and no government solution has sovled and ever will be solved, thats why the police station was burnt down.

It isn't as simple as
"man gets killed, community gets angry, police station burnt down, police reinforce, officials state everything is under control and invesgitation will go under way, men arrested for connection to riot, problem solved"

 

[tattoodguy]

number 1 --------------abo is just short for aborigineeee -------------i actually like abos - i respect them....................its just an abreviation.

ppple say australian - aussie...........its the same thing...as far as im concerned.


nathan...........i agreee............................the government and police etc.....dont treat abos fairly or properly.

therefore they have a right to take matters into there own hands.

i blieve.........if the government doesnt provide u all the protections under the law...............u dont have to be constrained by the law......

basically if the police.......fuck up... depending on the circumstances................................the community has a right to make them accountable through voilence and other non diplomatic means.

i support there right to demonstrate - riot etc