Polygamy vs Monogamy (1 Viewer)

[veterandoggy]

Nobody tell syera to shutup, because (she?) is expressing the general beliefs held by practically all Muslims. Women = inferiour. It's what their religion tells the male dominated religion is right.. The "will" of Allah. Women also cannot hold any religious positions.. and up untill recently women had no chance in hell of holding any positions of authority ANYWHERE. In most muslims nations they still don't.

Women are seen by the men as baby machines. Spurting out kids 5 hundred at a time, which Allah also wishes them to do (to take over the world!), which is also exposed in syera's post that "the first wife might not have been able to have babies", as if to say that having babies is the only reason that a man would marry a women......

yay! Another thing for my signature

she gave a reason, not the only reason. and it is not easy having 4 wives hence the few who do. you cant get along with one mother-in-law, so how about 4 lol! and women being inferior is only something that you guys want to spread, because i dont think any of you would like to experience bearing a child.

 

[withoutaface]

Question: If Islam is about controlling desire, how come the founding prophet had so little control of his desire he needed more than 10 wives to satisfy it?

 

[veterandoggy]

Question: If Islam is about controlling desire, how come the founding prophet had so little control of his desire he needed more than 10 wives to satisfy it?

answer: he didnt marry all of them for the sake of fulfilling his desire. some were widows, others were women from tribes they had defeated, to restore their honour, and if im not mistaken, some were slaves, but i need someone to confirm that.

 

[withoutaface]

Why could they not have married some other man with <4 wives?

 

[veterandoggy]

Why could they not have married some other man with <4 wives?

cos he's a prophet duh. and they werent forced to marry him. they knew that he was also not that rich, and he never chose to be. he used to sleep on a straw mat that left marks in his side, but they loved him for what he was, not because they had to

 

[withoutaface]

cos he's a prophet duh. and they werent forced to marry him. they knew that he was also not that rich, and he never chose to be. he used to sleep on a straw mat that left marks in his side, but they loved him for what he was, not because they had to

So because you're a prophet who's supposed to be setting an example you're allowed to disobey the rules that were set for everyone?


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[veterandoggy]

So because you're a prophet who's supposed to be setting an example you're allowed to disobey the rules that were set for everyone?


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i should make a stories of the prophet thread...

there were three people that wanted to be better than the prophet. one decided to fast every day, another decided to die a virgin, and the third... whoops, there goes my memory. but when the prophet heard of them he said that he who does not get married, fasts more than i fast, and whatever contrary to the thirds actions, would not be of my nation. the prophet fasted i think 3/4 out of 7 days, and it is more than enough worship

 

[SashatheMan]

cos he's a prophet duh. and they werent forced to marry him. they knew that he was also not that rich, and he never chose to be. he used to sleep on a straw mat that left marks in his side, but they loved him for what he was, not because they had to

actually he was born into a well- to do family, so he wasnt exaclty poor at childhood.
and after he married his first wife who was rich , he gained the wealth and was rich afterwards. He chose to be rich when he married his first wife. That a choice so your wrong there again. Well now that he had the wealth , you cant also make a claim that women came to him even though he was poor, because he was quite wealthy by them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad

also it said in the quran it self

"Marry women of your choice, two, or three, or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one." Al-Qur’an (4:3)

http://www.islamonline.com/cgi-bin/news_service/spot_full_story.asp?service_id=795

that the maximum number of wives a man can have is 4. Mohammad doesnt even follow the quran. Just shows how hypocritical the prophit is.

 

[veterandoggy]

sasha please, if you want me to respond to a question of yours in relation to a website, the least you could do is read it fully and not stop at the point you are trying to show. this piede is towards the end of the page at islamonline.com

When non-Muslims hear about Prophet Mohammad’s multiple wives, they might conclude without much thought that he was a sensuous man. But the truth is that Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) was married to only one woman, Khadijah. He remained devoted to her from age 24 to 50. Only after her death, did the Prophet marry other women. The reason behind the Prophet (PBUH) marrying more than one wife was to spread Islam, and help the Islamic message to reach out to the world.

It is obvious that if he was after physical pleasure, he didn’t have to wait until he was more than fifty years old to start marrying other wives. His later marriages were for various reasons, some marriages were with the view to help widows whose husbands had been killed for the sake of Islam, others were to cement relationships with devoted followers like Abu Bakr Al-Sadeeq, may Allah be pleased with him. Some of his marriages were to build strong relations with various tribes that were at war with Muslims. In brief, Prophet Mohammad’s marriages always had Islamic motives.

Some of the non-Muslims misunderstand polygyny and claim that it is one of the negative aspects of Islam, but in fact Islam sought to control and regulate the number of wives rather than give free license. And the permission given to men to have more than one wife is controlled with the conditions Allah has set before marrying another wife.

hope it shows mohammad's "hypocrisy"

 

[veterandoggy]

you seem to be interested in wikipedia, so ill give you something about what it says about his "paedophilic" marriage

Muhammad married Aisha after the Hijra, when she may have been anywhere from nine to seventeen years old. The marriage to Aisha may have been politically motivated initially, in that Abu Bakr was one of Muhammad's strongest supporters, and the marriage strengthened the ties between them. However, there are many stories indicating that Muhammad was extremely fond of Aisha, and that most people considered her his favorite wife. He defended her when she was accused of adultery.

Aisha became separated from the rest of the party while on a trip, and was brought back by one of Muhammad's companions, Shafwan ibn Muatthal. Since she had been alone with another man, people gossiped and said that she must be having an affair. Muhammad refused to repudiate her, then received a revelation that four eyewitnesses were necessary to prove adultery.

Many traditions relate that during his last illness, he sought her company and died with his head in her lap. Aisha in her turn grew attached to Muhammad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad's_marriages

 

[SashatheMan]

sasha please, if you want me to respond to a question of yours in relation to a website, the least you could do is read it fully and not stop at the point you are trying to show. this piede is towards the end of the page at islamonline.com

hope it shows mohammad's "hypocrisy"

i did read the whole page. and i was aware that it praised mohammad, however it still shows he is a hypocrete. He preaches to have a maximum 4 wives, then tells others to reduce their wife count, and then he goes and marries double that number.

that reason thats given on the site, doesnt defend his lying ways. he preaches something to people and then doenst abide it him self. So what if he needed to spread the message of islam, does that mean you have to egnore what he preaches? why not just egnore everything he sais, in order to make islam bigger.

 

[SashatheMan]

you seem to be interested in wikipedia, so ill give you something about what it says about his "paedophilic" marriage



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad's_marriages

His marriage to Aisha is often criticized today citing traditional sources that state she was only nine years old when he consummated the marriage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad

 

[withoutaface]

Muhummad had sex with a 9 year old.
YOUR RELIGION WAS ESTABLISHED BY A PAEDOPHILE!

 

[Sonic]

Muhummad had sex with a 9 year old.
YOUR RELIGION WAS ESTABLISHED BY A PAEDOPHILE!

ok now that is just being stupid....
listen he was a prophet and he married all those wives because he was to spread the religion to male and females so by placing a woman or many women into the population he was able to spread the message fater.. it's not about sex or anything like that it's all about the message

 

[SashatheMan]

i posted this already but your forgetting. You said it yourself , but now change your mind

'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.
Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/ayesha.htm
http://answering-islam.org.uk/Shamoun/prepubescent.htm


theres like a millino examples of it.

 

[SashatheMan]

ok now that is just being stupid....
listen he was a prophet and he married all those wives because he was to spread the religion to male and females so by placing a woman or many women into the population he was able to spread the message fater.. it's not about sex or anything like that it's all about the message

you dont need to marry 11 people to spread the message, you can do that by preaching on the streets, or having small meetings and then expanding them. its ridiculious to claim he married 11 wives just to pread the message. and your ignoring the fact that he broke his own rules , by saying maximum of four.

 

[SashatheMan]

ok now that is just being stupid....
listen he was a prophet and he married all those wives because he was to spread the religion to male and females so by placing a woman or many women into the population he was able to spread the message fater.. it's not about sex or anything like that it's all about the message

Volume 7, Book 62, Number 17:
Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:

When I got married, Allah's Apostle said to me, "What type of lady have you married?" I replied, "I have married a matron' He said, "Why, don't you have a liking for the virgins and for fondling them?" Jabir also said: Allah's Apostle said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you might play with her and she with you?'

this is coming from an islamic website
http://www.islammuslims.com/hadiths/al-bukhari/Book_62.htm


Muhammad’s comments indicate that his reason for marrying Aisha while a young virgin is so that he could fondle and sexually play with her!

 

[ice_wind]

geez thats gross!!! but ive hears scary sotries form cambodian frends lyk how they abduct 8 yr olds to work as hookers cos men demand fucking virgins...that's filthy!!!

 

[SashatheMan]

geez thats gross!!! but ive hears scary sotries form cambodian frends lyk how they abduct 8 yr olds to work as hookers cos men demand fucking virgins...that's filthy!!!

thats why we are trying to weed out child slavery and child sex offenders in the poor countries.
but for some reason muslims dont care about a prophet doing the same

 

[Justin]

Why didn't he just... write it down?