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Dr. Mike

Haha i could get chics with that

 

[xeuyrawp]

Lol, wth, if the argument above has been going around in circles like the last 2 posts then I know why it has been going for so long....

For anyone else reading this thread and possibly (I think you are) misreading my posts... I do not want a PhD, I would never do one for the sake of being called doctor. For me uni is about learning and applying it practically and not for personal gain (i.e. a 'doctor' title). I will do what I need to to best be able to apply my studies to my job and the people I will be working with.

Hey, I know that.

The thread is open for everyone to read, though.

 

[iambored]

Hey, I know that.

The thread is open for everyone to read, though.

ok, I thought you were implying the opposite

 

[xeuyrawp]

ok, I thought you were implying the opposite

Nope, that's why I correctly thought it was necessary to talk about the entire university system, rather than just Macquarie. If you wanted to do a PhD at Macquarie, only information about there would have been relevant.

Anyway, have your questions been answered?

 

[Phanatic]

I still don't see the difference between them beyond the fact that a PhD is usually totally thesis-based... :S

I'm saying that from what I've been told, a PhD is academically ranked higher, though the title of "Doctor" stays the same. I've also conceded that this could be wrong, but at any rate, there is a difference between them.

What was this in?

Psych.

That says nothing about ranking... The only thing that comes close is the archaic use of 'higher doctorate'.

It demonstrates that there is a difference between the type of doctorate you receive, but as I said, I found nothing to distinguish them.

In which area, Phil? You seem to be making good generalisations. I'll use the example of law: If I was in a firm, I'd much prefer an LLM to a MA(research). If I was a barrister, I'd much prefer an MA(research) to an LLM. That's just one field.

As I clearly stated, in ACADEMIC ranking. Not practical application. As far as I'm concerned, a PhD is the least practical qualification for anything other than further research.

I'm sure you think there's an answer to your hypothetical, but remember that people do different degrees for different reasons -- lest we all jump from Honours to PhDs simply because Media Snobs think that Masters are 'redundent'.

*sigh* Yes, again, ACADEMICALLY, if you want to move up to a doctorate, then a Masters is redundant if you've done Honours, because both can be considered pathways. I suppose I should have made it clear that I'm talking about academic ranking, seeing as though I'm a Media Snob.

It's also interesting to note that one does not graduate twice; because it's part of the SAME degree. How could it be ranked higher? Silly question, Phil.

Huzzah! One I can actually win outright! An Honours degree is completely and utterly seperate from a Bachelor degree. Once I graduate for the second time this year, I'll have a B Media, and a B Media (Hons). Two degrees. Two pieces of paper. Two graduation ceremonies. You are not limited to doing honours in your own degree. For instance, sticking with my department, people could have a B Media and a B Arts (Hons) in Cultural Studies. Two degrees. An honours degree is a 1 year degree if you've done a 3 year degree, or an extra degree if you get the marks on a 4+ degree. You certainly do graduate twice.

It's also interesting to note that separate doctorates aren't listed on your site.

I said that. Several times.

'Quote' is the verb, Phil. You mean 'quotation'.

That's just petty. 'Quote' is an informal noun.

what is the minimum amount of years for any degree that you could get a PhD in? Hypothetically, the minimum to me seems like 3 years bachelor + 1 year honours + 2 years PhD = 6 years?

I think, with the right waivers, you could do an undergraduate degree in 2 years. So the minimum would be 5.

Dr. Mike

Haha i could get chics with that

*cough cough* Uh, that had absolutely no influence on my choosing to do so...

 

[xeuyrawp]

I'm saying that from what I've been told, a PhD is academically ranked higher, though the title of "Doctor" stays the same. I've also conceded that this could be wrong, but at any rate, there is a difference between them.

There's a difference between a PhD in maths and a PhD in science, too. I still can't see anything that ranks a professional doctorate higher than a research one.

This is going nowhere. I've said that I can't see a difference beyond the actual name of the degree. You said you were told, which I accept because 1., there's no reason for you to lie and 2., you're trustworthy.

*sigh*

Yes, very cute, as if you're doing us some sort of favour by gracing us with your presence.

Yes, again, ACADEMICALLY, if you want to move up to a doctorate, then a Masters is redundant if you've done Honours, because both can be considered pathways. I suppose I should have made it clear that I'm talking about academic ranking, seeing as though I'm a Media Snob.

Huzzah! One I can actually win outright! An Honours degree is completely and utterly seperate from a Bachelor degree. Once I graduate for the second time this year, I'll have a B Media, and a B Media (Hons). Two degrees. Two pieces of paper. Two graduation ceremonies. You are not limited to doing honours in your own degree. For instance, sticking with my department, people could have a B Media and a B Arts (Hons) in Cultural Studies. Two degrees. An honours degree is a 1 year degree if you've done a 3 year degree, or an extra degree if you get the marks on a 4+ degree. You certainly do graduate twice.

That's random. If you've graduated twice, I guess I'm wrong.

Of course I haven't asked everyone who I know that's gotten honours (both the 'work' kind and the 'prize' kind), but none of the people who I've talked with about it have graduated twice...

I said that. Several times.

Sorry, where did you say that separate doctorates aren't listed on your site?

That's just petty. 'Quote' is an informal noun.

Why do you assume that I'm attacking you when I'm just pointing out something that's annoying?

I think, with the right waivers, you could do an undergraduate degree in 2 years. So the minimum would be 5.

That's true. Also if you crammed in summer school and evening classes, you could get away with it. Many subject areas allow for lots of simultaneous units, as well, like languages (where you can do 3 units a sem just on the language).

*cough cough* Uh, that had absolutely no influence on my choosing to do so...

Please, the amount of times I've heard you say 'I'm now going to be called 'Doctor Phil'' is so beyond my counting.

 

[Phanatic]

This is going nowhere. I've said that I can't see a difference beyond the actual name of the degree. You said you were told, which I accept because 1., there's no reason for you to lie and 2., you're trustworthy.

Rather. I've also said I could be wrong.

Yes, very cute, as if you're doing us some sort of favour by gracing us with your presence.

Actually, it was in response to what I perceived to be being called a 'Media Snob'. I have corrected myself, repeatedly, in saying that academically, if you want to progress through the academic ranks to a doctorate and have done honours, then a masters is generally redundant.

That's random. If you've graduated twice, I guess I'm wrong.

Of course I haven't asked everyone who I know that's gotten honours (both the 'work' kind and the 'prize' kind), but none of the people who I've talked with about it have graduated twice...

Yep. I graduated last year. Unless my friends are going to graduate, I won't bother going to the presentation again this year as I see no reason to fork out another $200 on academic gown hire just to take more photos.

Sorry, where did you say that separate doctorates aren't listed on your site?

"The rank of Doctor is the same across the three types of Doctorates, but I believe there is an academic ranking within the qualification of "Doctor"."

"An academic ranking might be different to a qualification ranking, which doesn't discriminate between the type of award. "

Why do you assume that I'm attacking you when I'm just pointing out something that's annoying?

"'Quote' is the verb, Phil. You mean 'quotation'."
The other day you mentioned how irritating it is to be patronised? Perhaps I should 'quote' definition 7. of "quote" in the Macquarie Dictionary:
- noun 7. A quotation

Please, the amount of times I've heard you say 'I'm now going to be called 'Doctor Phil'' is so beyond my counting.

I know, hence why my response to Asylum was a self-depreciating attack on myself, as evidenced by the "*cough cough*" and the smiley.

My reasons for doing a PhD are probably different to others. Part of the main reason I'm staying on is because I don't feel I'm finished with Uni. Up until the last two months of this year, I was planning on coming back and doing a second Bachelor degree, a BA in Politics (so that I could combine the two into some sort of policy/spin job, undoubtedly inspired by the West Wing), but I was talked out of it by my supervisor and other people I spoke to, and encouraged to do a PhD to continue my academic career. Since then I've become rather sold on the idea, and would have been rather disappointed had I not gotten in. I didn't do it to be called "Doctor". As far as I'm concerned that's a fun bonus (as I'm sure the ladies will think I'm god-like). However, I'm thinking I would now like to teach in a University environment, so I'm on the right track to do so.

Am I doing a PhD so people will call me "Doctor"? No. Do I think that that's cool? Hell yeah!

 

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