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waterfowl
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It isn't meant to be like a traditional Church...thats the whole point!asscookie said:
Most people these days cannot relate to 'traditional' Churches because they don't offer modern day services/production. It is a modern Church for a modern time.
agnosticism..if im wrong, ill repent on my deathbed and go to heavenchookyn said:no, they're quite unrelated
Mormons belong to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Most are same as mainstream Christianity - i.e. Bible is the Word of God, the Trinity (God - the Father, Son & Holy Spirit), salvation by grace, etc...
Some different ideologies:
*SDA's keep the Sabbath (saturday - hence the "seventh-day"), as set aside by God in the Creation week for rest, worship and generally doing good things for people.
*Emphasise a healthy lifestyle (since body is the temple of the holy spirit, 1 Cor 6:19,20)
*view death as an unconcious state (until the resurrection) In other words, SDAs don't believe that believers go "straight to heaven" as soon as they die. They are resurrected when Jesus returns.
*look forward to the soon 2nd coming of Christ (hence "adventist") and spreading the "good news" worldwide.
For a more comprehensive overview, try http://www.adventist.org/beliefs/index.html
p.s. never realised how "multi-faith" BOS was until now - this is really interesting!
the new spin off churches, eg 7th Day Adventist, Mormons, Moonies, all seem like cults masquerading as new Christianity
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Well, I know with Jehovah's Witnesses that they are an organisation that exists solely for profit. Their motto is "Advertise, advertise the King and his Kingdom!" (the kingdom being heaven as well as the organisation of Jehovah's Witnesses). They tried to reinvent the Bible and pass it off as "the new truth" by selling copies manufactured by the Watchtower Society, and they frown on protestantism and catholicism.. Mormon's aren't Christians, they added Joseph Smith's hallucinations to the Bible (correct me if I'm wrong). Seventh Day Adventists are weird, their beliefs about Christ's return and the purpose of heaven are very different to those of mainstream Christianity (ie Church of England and possibly Roman Catholic Church).§eraphim said:agnosticism..if im wrong, ill repent on my deathbed and go to heaven
the new spin off churches, eg 7th Day Adventist, Mormons, Moonies, all seem like cults masquerading as new Christianity
In its early days, Christianity was regarded as a cult. The only reason it's not called a cult anymore is because of the large numbers who profess their supposed Christian faith.
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christianity was never a cult- they were jews who started to hold different beliefs about god and heaven
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im not entirely sure but i dont think all the jews at the time viewed the christians as members of a cult (a modern day association)
im sure it was just zealots that viewed them as splinters- whatever u want to call them
im sure it was just zealots that viewed them as splinters- whatever u want to call them
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Agnostic here.
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its an overly corporate church which sells christianity and is almost what you could call a profit organisation. its overly hyped and is too big. it is impersonal so that most members dont truely have to participate they can just take from the church and go when they want. its not community minded at all. it scares the shit out of me cause everyone there is a clone of each other. dresses the same and uses all the same lingo. it isnt a great witness for christianity when you see the pastors staying in penthouses when they go on overseas conferences when their first class fleights could go to people who need money.waterfowl said:
they have this family health centre thing in castle hill and blacktown and somewhere else. they only get 400000 bucks per year between the two. thats criminal as workers get virtually nothing for full time work.
i think people cant relate to this kind of church cause it seems like a cult. it is so image conscious half the women who go there develop eating disorders.
as a christian there is no way i would ever advocate such a church which needs to remember what its purpose is. i went there years ago and my sister went there for bible college and had to go as part of her course. there is something seriously wrong with it
waterfowl
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It has to 'sell' Christianity otherwise how is it going to attract people.
I'm not entirely sure on Hills, but I know my Church, which is very similar, is non-profit because any profit they make goes straight back to the services and things that they offer.
I don't find such large Churches impersonal, sure if you sit by yourself and don't talk to anyone they would be. And everyone isn't clones of each other, and if they are it's probably because they all live in the same sort of area. I know my Church for example has heaps of different types of people who all dress and speak differently, it is very diverse.
Having pastors who stay in nice accommodation and fly first class is a great witness: it shows exactly what the Bible teaches, if you sow you will reap, and if you devote your life to God then you will be rewarded.
I'm sure if you had a look at those pastors budgets, a lot of money (and time) would go into helping other people.
I'm not entirely sure on Hills, but I know my Church, which is very similar, is non-profit because any profit they make goes straight back to the services and things that they offer.
I don't find such large Churches impersonal, sure if you sit by yourself and don't talk to anyone they would be. And everyone isn't clones of each other, and if they are it's probably because they all live in the same sort of area. I know my Church for example has heaps of different types of people who all dress and speak differently, it is very diverse.
Having pastors who stay in nice accommodation and fly first class is a great witness: it shows exactly what the Bible teaches, if you sow you will reap, and if you devote your life to God then you will be rewarded.
I'm sure if you had a look at those pastors budgets, a lot of money (and time) would go into helping other people.
If what you meant by this is that it is wrong your sister had to attend Church whilst going to Bible college...you're crazy...of course you'd have to go to Church whilst attending Bible college, otherwise whats the point?
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i dont think it is wrtong she had to go to the church. im just saying she knows what goes on.waterfowl said:
when i say seel christianity i mean they try to sell commercially to christians way too much and make it too much of an off shoot of the secular world. but yes you do need to sell christianity but not through music etc cause that doesnt attract them for the right reasons
it is good that they are wealthy but look at other pastors who struggle to make a living. they go beyond what they need also considering people who go there are dirt poor. only a small amount goes on "emerge" (400000) and considering how much they make it is puny. Also when the pastor gets plastic surgery and they have a huge house, and body guards when they go shopping. no body would even know who they are in the first place. body guards and a limo are a waste of offering money which people believe is going to help the church.
i also dont believe in having huge churches. smaller churchere are better in that the pastor knows everyone properly and everyone knows everyone in the church. it is much more community like and united.
but you go to CCC right. my sister goes there sometime but it is too much of a drive. it is a lot less cloned in CCC apparently.
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They have body guards and a limo? Although sometimes bodyguards might be a good idea, pastors get death threats quite alot. And usually offering money isn't used to pay wages, at least the bulk of it isn't. Most pastors would get their travel and extra money from love offerings - which people know will go straight to the pastor.lukebennett said:
Yes I do. I have never been to Hills so I can't really comment on the clone thing
lukebennett
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its just overly commercial and fake and image conscious. its scary how shallow the whole place is. despite the fact that they do good and all youd hope theyd make better use of the money and subject themselves to a basic economy flieght like other people etc. its one thing to have a nice home but tithe money shudnt go towards the pastors plastic surgery and luxury. i know what you meean though about churches needing to be modern but its gone so far that way that its nearly a secular off shoot
Christian-Catholic, Cause i was brought up this way, but never go to church. I have heavily religious grandparents and a uncle who is a priest.
FACT: Catholics have killed the most amount of ppl of any religion, yet their faith is based on loving one another and peace to all men. In fact Jesus was the original hippy
FACT: Catholics have killed the most amount of ppl of any religion, yet their faith is based on loving one another and peace to all men. In fact Jesus was the original hippy
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Im a fully confirmed Catholic - but the only time i go to church is for Midnight Mass, and some mass' over the easter/lent period.
Agnostic. Or more precisely, nihilist. I won't last long though, I need some form of religious expression... Or else impotence will arrest me. Everything I've considered is so fallible though...
How do you atheists and agnostics interpret transcendental urges? Or are you hedonists, or quasi-hedonists, and know nothing of this sort? Bah, I'm sick of rotting in this materialistic vacuity!
And I have known the eyes already, known them all--
The eyes that fix you in a formulated phrase,
And when I am formulated, sprawling on a pin,
When I am pinned and wriggling on the wall,
Then how should I begin
To spit out all the butt-ends of my days and ways?
And how should I presume?
- T.S. Eliot, The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock
How do you atheists and agnostics interpret transcendental urges? Or are you hedonists, or quasi-hedonists, and know nothing of this sort? Bah, I'm sick of rotting in this materialistic vacuity!
And I have known the eyes already, known them all--
The eyes that fix you in a formulated phrase,
And when I am formulated, sprawling on a pin,
When I am pinned and wriggling on the wall,
Then how should I begin
To spit out all the butt-ends of my days and ways?
And how should I presume?
- T.S. Eliot, The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock