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... in Queensland, yes, but it's still a dimension of the debate regarding religion that we have not yet discussed (at length and within the bounds of a stand-alone thread, anyway).

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April 15, 2006



ANY belief system could soon be taught in Queensland state schools following changes to the laws governing religious education.

The changes will allow any group – religious or not – to offer spiritual instruction to children, provided their parents agree.

The Beattie Government has pressed ahead with the changes despite the protests of Christian churches worried about marginalising religion in schools.

They are included in the recent overhaul of the Education Act, which will herald a new era for Queensland's 470,000 state school children.

Currently, state school students as young as five take part in religious education classes unless parents formally write to the school allowing them to "opt out" of the lessons.

Under section 75 of the Education (General Provisions) Bill 2006, due to be enacted this year, no student will attend religious education lessons unless their parents write to the school requiring them to do so.

And in line with anti-discrimination laws, religious education classes will no longer be taught solely by church representatives.

Groups with a non-religious system of beliefs – providing they are apolitical – will also be allowed to teach religious education classes.

The Australian Humanist Society expects the Bill to be enacted in July and has already drawn up a syllabus dealing with science-based education, creative thinking, ethical responsibility and the separation of the church and state.

State secretary of the Australian Humanist Society Maria Proctor hopes to become the first atheist religious education teacher in a Queensland state school.

Brisbane Catholic Education executive director David Hutton said church representatives had argued against the changes, which were significant and would erode the standing of religion in Queensland.

"At this point we accept the Government decision," Mr Hutton said.

"We're not against people being taught different beliefs and value systems but I'd have some concerns about young people being exposed to multiple belief systems.

"At the moment (religious education classes) are on offer. Now you're making people make a definite decision to opt in.

"I suspect fewer parents will opt in that under the previous system. This sort of move keeps pushing religion to the margins.

"Religious discourse has a place in our education system. That's why we, as mainstream churches, have argued for continuing access to state schools."

Pastor Dallas Freeman, of the Pentecostal Citywest Christian Church, said he had attended a meeting of ministers to discuss the issue.

Some saw the move as a "gradual phasing out of religious education in schools", he said.

"The other thing is that schools will end up with all these kids who don't know what they're meant to do in that (religious education) time. They'll have to work out what to do with all those kids."

An Education Department spokesman said advisers were still figuring out what to do with children not attending religious education lessons

Amendments to the Anti-Discrimination Act prevented any discrimination on the basis of "religious activity" or "religious belief", a spokesman said.

Under the changes non-religious groups, Aboriginal and Torres Strait Island communities and other groups could apply to state school principals to teach up to 40 hours of religious education a year.

Situation with matters of faith

NOW

• State school students begin religious education in Year 1.

Students attend unless they have a letter from their parents excusing them.

Instructors are volunteers from churches or religious movements, approved by Education Queensland.

WHEN THE LAW CHANGES

• State school students will not attend any religious education lesson unless specified in writing by their parents.

Any person or organisation can apply to Education Queensland for approval to teach a "religion or other belief". They will still need a blue card.
Thoughts, anyone?

It's good to see that an opt in system is to be introduced - as much it may concern the churches, it is only fair that the parents actively determine the way in which their child is introduced (or not) to a particular religion in the context of a scripture class.

Edit: Update (23 May 2006).
 
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Yeah, the idea of opting in makes sense to me. Religion is not something that needs to be protected more than what people feel it is worth. (If parents want their kids to learn a particular religion, then they can opt in. For the parents who don't care so much, then that's fine by me) I also do support the separation of Church and State.
 

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I think this is a great move. I hope this new law spreads to other states. Australia in this sence is so much better then the US, because we actually show a separation of church and state.
 

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OMG I'd love to be a part of the humanist society promoting ethical athiest/agnostic teachings. that's so in-your-face! :D
 

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i like the idea of a class that teaches ethics and philosophy and being apart of society... rather than religion.
 

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miss_gtr said:
Thats good. I think its important to have religion taught at all schools.
But when they say religion, do they mean ALL religions or just christianity?
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Did you read the article, miss_gtr?
 

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SashatheMan said:
I think this is a great move. I hope this new law spreads to other states. Australia in this sence is so much better then the US, because we actually show a separation of church and state.
how's that relate to the U.S.? the american system doesn't have religion taught in it at all
 

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davin said:
how's that relate to the U.S.? the american system doesn't have religion taught in it at all
i was talking in general. That The US doesnt show much separation of church and state. The president himself, claims he does god orders, when making decisions.

We also dont have like 40 % of the country wanting Creationism to be only taught in schools, and excluding evolution.
 

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my point was just, in the schools, there is that seperation. the number of peopel that want creationism taught in schools is still frighteningly high, but they're not getting their way.
 

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theres a hell of a lot of christian schools, who teach creationism only. But yeh yuor right, so far public schools are holding it out.
 

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there are christian schools, but not ALL that prominant. the creationism thing is still distressing, but hopfully, dwindling
 

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Bah!

Religion and schools do not mix. Whether it is Catholic, Protestant, Islamic, Buddhist, or atheism - it is still brainwashing of children to adopt a particular religious viewpoint.

I think therefore it is better to ban any religious TEACHING (not traditions etc) in and out of schools for children before age 18, that way - they can analyse the various beliefs objectively, and if they find substance in them - then adopt the religion, rather than having a particular faith forced upon them.

This is because when it comes down to it, teaching any faith in schools is as bad as the Islamic schools in nations such as Indonesia, ie: religious brainwashing is religious brainwashing, it is not exclusive to one particular faith, although I note the outrage which western commentators depict the islamic schools - lets look first at our own unwholesome practices.
 
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In principle i think its a great idea, religion should be taught comparitively in schools and not with the idea of promoting each one but with a view to expand your thinking about the world and to help people respect other ideas.

I dont really see what the difference between the opt in and opt out systems are though. If parents don't want their children to be taught certain religions then theyre either going to opt out or simply not opt in, its really of no consequence as the outcome is the same. However, thats just me being trivial.

Overall, great idea as long as it maintains its integrity.
 

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An update.

Qld Govt rejects alternative religious education plan

Qld Govt rejects alternative religious education plan
The World Today - Tuesday, 23 May , 2006 12:50:00
Reporter: Lisa Millar



ELEANOR HALL: To Queensland now, and opponents of religious education classes in the state's schools are vowing to fight on despite their failure to gain the backing of the Queensland Government.

The Beattie Labor Government was planning to bring in controversial legislation which would've allowed atheists, among others, to offer alternatives to traditional religious classes.

But under pressure from conservative Christian groups and the Federal Government, the Queensland Government has dumped the plan.

In Brisbane, Lisa Millar reports.

[continued - see link]
Too much, too soon, it seems. Still, given the concerns of the groups opposed to changes, it looks as though there's a good chance that Labor Government in Queensland may soon consider the introduction of a stand-alone 'opt-in' provision.
 
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I'd rather see the children learn without religion being stuffed in their face at a young age. If the parents want their children to learn about a certain religion, they can teach it themselves. Don't make the teachers brainwash them.

It'd be much better in my opinion if children learned nothing of religion and more of the world, then when they were older choose a religion that they feel is right for them or none at all. This way they get a chance to choose. But oh well.
 

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