Revolutionary or Conservative Nationalist? (1 Viewer)

[liger]

Nelson Mandela: revolutionary or conservative nationalist? You decide. (If you care)

 

[ElendilPeredhil]

Does it matter? ...
Revolutionary.

 

[bshoc]

Depends entirely on political perspective, a few communists I've met seemed to be of the impression that I'm some sort of ultra-right wing militaraist or something, then again to these people social democrats are the "right wing"

And those two things aren't mutually exlusive, you can be a conservative nationalist and still be revolutionary, remember national socialism?

 

[dieburndie]

Depends entirely on political perspective, a few communists I've met seemed to be of the impression that I'm some sort of ultra-right wing militaraist or something, then again to these people social democrats are the "right wing"

What exactly has Iraq done to America? 3000 dead soldiers, thats not even a day of WWII.

I hope Iran gets bombed into the stoneage, and that the only boots on the ground are in-and-out SF units, should be conducted with absolute devastation from the air, like Desert Storm.

abortion is not a right, it is a violation of national and international law and should be stopped.

I hate gays becuase they're annoying pricks who clout the public agenda with their marriage crap and they're tied in with all the leftie scumbag socialists

you havent noticed the homo-loving labor party isnt in power.

When you understand why some in society call it "pro-choice", you will understand why others (more intelligent people with at least a basic spine) call it "pro-death"

I believe that being a poofter isnt something that comes naturally to anyone.

All feminists are murderers or those who support it

You certainly don't have to be a commie to think that,
but of course

I have always debated in a calm and rational manner

 

[gerhard]

dieburndie, thats beautiful

 

[The Brucemaster]

I believe the word applicable to this situation is DESTROYED!

 

[Iron]

Mandela was a conservative anglophile confronted by a pretty radical government. But he didnt just want a return to pre-apartheid S.A. He also wanted ethnic rights so far as the white business interests wouldn't flee to, say, Perth.

The good kind of conservative.

To me, revolutionary is a strong word (dispite his rather heavy involvment in sabotage activites). I think the legal system (justice, equality) broke down with apartheid, so he was justified in acting against it.

To call him a nationalist might be a bit far too. He certainly united S.A. in a way no one else could, but he didnt really set out in the beginning/post-prison to advance any national cause because there was no true sense of nationhood about the place - they were a colony run by a mixed bag of competing Non-indigenous fellows.

Hardly ncap though.

 

[bshoc]

You certainly don't have to be a commie to think that,
but of course

You cannot show a persons political inclination based on two or three issues, it has to be far broader than that, the ultra right is usually anti-democratic and so forth, many things that I'm not. I could show you plenty of "mainstream" politicians or board memebers who hold views such as that

 

[liger]

yeh im more inclined to think he was a bit of both. Both terms seem a bit extreme to use. Oh and if you're wondering why I asked, it's because it's the last dot point in the personality syllabus for Mandela and I didn't really know what to say about it!

I think that his ideas were revolutionary in the fact he wanted to dismantle such a long upheld series of anti-black policies, but conservative because he didn't really do anything drastic to schieve his means. This policies when he was President were quite conservative, especially his stance on HIV/AIDS.