Selective schools debate (2 Viewers)

[pikachu975]

Yeah I totally agree with you;; I don't have any regrets going to a catholic school (ranked like 150??), but i feel like if you were to weigh out the "better" than selective will always remain top tier. but again, yeah you can achieve any atar no matter what ur ranking/school is.

ALSO, spending ur time at 5 am in the morning on boredofstudies??? haha go to sleep

Yeah true I always wondered what it woulda been like to go to a selective school, but my cohort was amazing like everyone worked together 24/7 and the amount of collaboration was so good so defs no regrets!!

Also yea HAHA i woke up at midnight and was finding any way to procrastinate from studying as usual :'((

 

[idkkdi]

Yeah true I always wondered what it woulda been like to go to a selective school, but my cohort was amazing like everyone worked together 24/7 and the amount of collaboration was so good so defs no regrets!!

Also yea HAHA i woke up at midnight and was finding any way to procrastinate from studying as usual :'((

We got dickheads who won't share notes, because internal rankings are harder than externals. Depends where you're at, at some places people pride themselves on toxicity. It's quite amusing and annoying at times.

Collaboration is split into four groups.
1. The top ranks that hoard together to try maximise their internal rankings.
2. The lower ranks trying to pull through together.
3. The middle ranks who help others.
4. The middle ranks who don't help others.

 

[pikachu975]

We got dickheads who won't share notes, because internal rankings are harder than externals. Depends where you're at, at some places people pride themselves on toxicity. It's quite amusing and annoying at times.

Collaboration is split into four groups.
1. The top ranks that hoard together to try maximise their internal rankings.
2. The lower ranks trying to pull through together.
3. The middle ranks who help others.
4. The middle ranks who don't help others.

Ah yeah that makes sense I did hear people being selfish/snaking others from selective schools during high school and I was kinda surprised since my school (catholic school) was pretty collaborative. I guess yeah internal rankings are more competitive for you so it makes sense that some people would won't share anything but imo working together is way way way more helpful than being selfish tbh. Like even though I was coming 1st in biology I still spammed the group chat with so many questions which helped me but also helped others consolidate their knowledge. But yea I guess you're right that it depends where you're at since collaboration varies depending on the person/group/school!

 

[SylviaB]

In countries like Australia, there aren't really good schools and bad schools, there are good students and bad students. Replacing the students of a 'good' school with low IQ students will turn it into a 'bad' school.

 

[SylviaB]

and I say this as someone who went to a comically bad school and now has post grad engineering qualifications

 

[#RoadTo31Atar]

In countries like Australia, there aren't really good schools and bad schools, there are good students and bad students. Replacing the students of a 'good' school with low IQ students will turn it into a 'bad' school.

There is not much of a difference between good and bad schools if our education as a whole isn't very good.

 

[SylviaB]

There is not much of a difference between good and bad schools if our education as a whole isn't very good.

Uhhh no, you've got it backwards. If the education system is bad, then the bad schools are really bad. Australia's education system is good, which means there's very few really bad school. It could be a lot better, but its still better than most countries, and intelligent students can succeed in most schools.

 

[cosmo 2]

There is not much of a difference between good and bad schools if our education as a whole isn't very good.

'bad' education systems are made that way by shit students bruh not the other way round

wtf does it even matter when 2/3rds of ppl just end up working at petrol stations and nail salons anyway education beyond literacy and basic numeracy is overrated af

 

[SylviaB]

'bad' education systems are made that way by shit students bruh not the other way round

wtf does it even matter when 2/3rds of ppl just end up working at petrol stations and nail salons anyway education beyond literacy and basic numeracy is overrated af

tbf only around 10% of adult workers on are minimum wage

but dumb people benefit from skills, not education

 

[cosmo 2]

i think most jobs are shit like retail laboring hospitality etc added up theyve gotta be over 50% of jobs

 

[seremify007]

We got dickheads who won't share notes, because internal rankings are harder than externals. Depends where you're at, at some places people pride themselves on toxicity. It's quite amusing and annoying at times.

Collaboration is split into four groups.
1. The top ranks that hoard together to try maximise their internal rankings.
2. The lower ranks trying to pull through together.
3. The middle ranks who help others.
4. The middle ranks who don't help others.

Pretty interesting summary... I don't think it was ever that bad when I was at Baulkham Hills some 15 years ago... but I wouldn't be surprised if that's how it's turned out nowadays. That being said, even if there is some benefit to collaboration and working together, at the end of the day, it's still an individual exam and an individual 'ranking' so you can't get too annoyed at people who act rationally out of maximising self interest.

 

[s97127]

I've been told at Sydney Grammar, students do not share notes with each other either

 

[s97127]

>> I would say this probably does build creativity. All the worlds creative geniuses in Maths and Physics started at a very early age and just kept on >> doing problem after problem to answer their curiosity. Isn't that in essence what they do in Asian countries?

Unless you have a real passion for math (i.e you want to solve problems for the rest of your life), math olympiad is a waste of time. Most Asian students do it because of its prestige and rewards that come with it: the biggest one is a scholarship from an Ivy League school. Chinese IMO team has been producing so many gold medalists but none of them cannot translate it to a greater success while Australia has done pretty well. You can check out the Noble Participants table from the link below: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_International_Mathematical_Olympiad_participants

 

[idkkdi]

>> I would say this probably does build creativity. All the worlds creative geniuses in Maths and Physics started at a very early age and just kept on >> doing problem after problem to answer their curiosity. Isn't that in essence what they do in Asian countries?

Unless you have a real passion for math (i.e you want to solve problems for the rest of your life), math olympiad is a waste of time. Most Asian students do it because of its prestige and rewards that come with it: the biggest one is a scholarship from an Ivy League school. Chinese IMO team has been producing so many gold medalists but none of them cannot translate it to a greater success while Australia has done pretty well. You can check out the Noble Participants table from the link below: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_International_Mathematical_Olympiad_participants

getting smarter is never a waste of time.

 

[SylviaB]

getting smarter is never a waste of time.

Becoming more knowledgeable in advanced mathematics may well be a suboptimal use of learning time for many people

 

[s97127]

hmm..i'm talking about math olympiad and you two were talking about advanced math and 'getting smarter'. There are some areas of math that are useful in uni but it's definitely not the stuff that you learn for math olympiad. I was a member of an Asian math olympiad team 25 years ago and i believe i know what i'm talking about.

 

[B1andB2]

I was a member of an Asian math olympiad team 25 years ago

uh you sure you counted that right?

 

[idkkdi]

hmm..i'm talking about math olympiad and you two were talking about advanced math and 'getting smarter'. There are some areas of math that are useful in uni but it's definitely not the stuff that you learn for math olympiad. I was a member of an Asian math olympiad team 25 years ago and i believe i know what i'm talking about.

math olympiad makes people get smarter.

 

[SylviaB]

math olympiad makes people get smarter.

source?

 

[ultra908]

source?

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