Should we unite as one?.....Unity A universal quest... HAVE YOUR SAY... (2 Viewers)

[katie_tully]

um..yes it is hard to do
because no one is doing it
and if it was easy then we would all be living happily in peace and harmony
but we're not

It's impossible. You cannot unite 5 billion people. We can't even get people of the same race, religion and nationality to unite, good luck doing it on an international scale.

 

[soha]

It's impossible. You cannot unite 5 billion people. We can't even get people of the same race, religion and nationality to unite, good luck doing it on an international scale.

i dont recall saying you could
infact i was arguing you couldnt do it
based on clash of religon and culture and that it will always be an issue
so yeah there will never be such a thing as world peace
and even if everyone was the same religon...they will still be issues and the same 4 culture..
so its not gonna happen anytime soon

 

[tattoodguy]

i dont knwo what ur talking about...........

peace is boring

besides......seroulsy.........as if we can all get along etc..........its imposssible..........

if we had lesss immmigration, more racism....etc etc etc...............the world would be a much better place....................

we have to stop mixing etc...............it just creates problems.

 

[Armani]

Well tattoodguy we can start with your exile from the forum to make this board a better place.

 

[loquasagacious]

If you were to unite all races how would you unite all class?

That's not very ambitous particularly from an esposer of an ideology which proposes to do just that and outlines how.

You cannot unite 5 billion people.

Exactly and uniting the whole six billion would be extra impossible .

if we had lesss immmigration, more racism....etc etc etc...............the world would be a much better place....................

we have to stop mixing etc...............it just creates problems.

In light of this I suggest we build very big walls never talk to people outside our walls - in fact stop thinking of people existing outside of them and start inbreeding and stagnating.

Finally for my own response:

I dont think that this is a something that will occur consciously or overnight so in a way my answer is no this will not happen as you appear to envisage it.

On the other hand I believe that the ultimate result of globalisation will be similar and that this will be a good thing.

 

[Pace Setter]

In light of this I suggest we build very big walls never talk to people outside our walls - in fact stop thinking of people existing outside of them and start inbreeding and stagnating.

Which isn't too different from what it's like now in many cities, except for the fact that the "walls" arent made of bricks-i.e rather, based on a form of prejudice/racism at the base. I would say that the scenario you painted is simply a more extreme version of "what it is right now."

Why are there so many Vietnamese in Cabramatta? So many Poms in Manly? Why, when you go to a restaurant, there are people from groups of distinctly similar ethnicity at each individual table?

Instead of walls made of bricks, we have many suburbs dominated by a particular cultural/ethnic/racial group. Instead of a wall that prevents the different "tribes" from communicating with each other, we have groups from various ethnic backgrounds who struggle to speak english. Instead of embracing the mainstream culture of the country, many choose to stick to their own, which is fine-but take it further by shunning out other cultures, by ignoring cultural niches of cultures other than their own. Which in effect is not dissimilar to the act of: "stop thinking of people existing outside of them." Et cetera.

I would say, that rather than racism itself, one of the bigger checks on this "unity" from occurring incidentlessly is the tendency for many to deny and hide their own racism-whilst at the same time being affected by their prejudice in what they do/where they live, etc day in, day out.

 

[loquasagacious]

That was sarcasm...

Do you deny your own racism even whilst you let it affect your post?

Whilst I'm not suggesting that you are a racist tosser (much like some others on the forum) I am saying that:

Instead of a wall that prevents the different "tribes" from communicating with each other, we have groups from various ethnic backgrounds who struggle to speak english. Instead of embracing the mainstream culture of the country, many choose to stick to their own, which is fine-but take it further by shunning out other cultures, by ignoring cultural niches of cultures other than their own.

Could be construed as racist and asimilationist.

Maybe you just expressed yourself poorly as I can see what you are getting at, in that as people we socialise with those who are like ourselves - therefore we often group ourselves along racial and religious lines which is an impediment to unity and peace.

 

[Iron]

All history's nut jobs have been the small minded worms wanting conformity (Hitler, Mugabee, Stalin, Howard)

 

[Comrade nathan]

That's not very ambitous particularly from an esposer of an ideology which proposes to do just that and outlines how.

No it doesn't, it proposes and outlines how to crush the ruling class. My point was you can't unite all people while there is class society.

 

[Pace Setter]

That was sarcasm...

...whilst at the same time being serious in the point it made.

Do you deny your own racism even whilst you let it affect your post?

Whilst I'm not suggesting that you are a racist tosser

I'm not sure about the tosser bit but I'm not going to deny that I'm racist. Which is the thing. I've laid down my cards. The prejudice is out there. Which means the next time I do anything, it will be based on one level of prejudice-i.e racism/hatred for particular cultures/ethnicities. Which is contrasted with one's who are racist and deny it. Rather than admitting their prejudice, they allow it to well up; like anger for example. While this may be effective in peace/unity in the short term, there'll come a time when that welled-up prejudice forms a second layer-resulting in a deeper level of bias when dealing with the hated cultures.

I'm basing this on occasional observation rather than any structured form of empirical evidence. But thus far I havent seen evidence refuting it. So at the moment I'm standing by my point of the denial of racism, rather than racism itself that results in all the mess.

I am saying that:



Could be construed as racist and asimilationist.

It certainly could. But my observation is about the similarity between the scenario you painted in your previous post, with the current situation here. And whilst I acknowledge that I am racist, what I write stops becoming racist when it solely consists of ideas and/or facts that aren't disputed. Many will say that that particular paragraph is racist. But is it incorrect?

 

[loquasagacious]

I already posted that yes there is an element of truth in that as people we congregate with those like ourselves we form communities around etnic and religious lines and even individual friendships are between people who have similar backgrounds and personalities to each other.

 

[thaoroxy2001]

it's an odd question to ask whether we should reunite......like I agree that it would be good if we did not discriminate and saw each others as equals but I am against 'UNITING' the whole world as one......lemme give u an example: China wanted to UNITE Tibet and Taiwan with itself and in the process killed millions of lives...in theory it seems great.....but human beings are selffish....we say we want to unite but in the prcoess we annihilate anything in our way.....there has never been a united world and there never will be .....people will never stop discriminating and hating.....

 

[malkin86]

In my limited experience, this 'learning to love each other and accept and celebrate our differences' stuff only really works on an individual level - that is, how much the individual is willing to do this. Which kind of spoils the exercise?

The differences in society are ingrained over many thousands of years. Why should it take any shorter to unite? Is it even desirable to unite?

 

[superbird]

unity is already happening, some examples include the United Nations and European Union. Personally, I don't think it's a good thing and as you read on you'll find the reason for my stance on this issue. It has been prophecised by many sources that unity would involve microchipping humans and world leaders denying individual freedoms (similar to that by the book Brave New World).

I refer to an extract I read from the website http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/:

"A One World Government and one-unit monetary system, under permanent non-elected hereditary oligarchists who self-select from among their numbers in the form of a feudal system as it was in the Middle Ages. In this One World entity, population will be limited by restrictions on the number of children per family, diseases, wars, famines, until 1 billion people who are useful to the ruling class, in areas which will be strictly and clearly defined, remain as the total world population.

There will be no middle class, only rulers and the servants. All laws will be uniform under a legal system of world courts practicing the same unified code of laws, backed up by a One World Government police force and a One World unified military to enforce laws in all former countries where no national boundaries shall exist. The system will be on the basis of a welfare state; those who are obedient and subservient to the One World Government will be rewarded with the means to live; those who are rebellious will simple be starved to death or be declared outlaws, thus a target for anyone who wishes to kill them. Privately owned firearms or weapons of any kind will be prohibited."

New World Order is a scary thing.

 

[Pace Setter]

New World Order is a scary thing.

And just like any revolution, I'd imagine that the first generation that grows up with it will be accustomed to it. They won't feel a blip on their change radar...whilst the average Generation X and Y member(us) will begin every 2nd sentence in conversations with "back in the good old days...things were different," etc.

Sounds too familiar.

 

[loquasagacious]

Superbird I sincerly hope that you post in jest, otherwise truly your post makes me pity you.

You failed to analyse in any way your sources, who it turns out are spouting complete shit.

The web-site you have stumbled across is from the extreme right of the political spectrum an area easily described as the lunatic fringe, on the home page there is mention of secret weather contolling technology, reptilian hives, mind controlling mobile phone towers, telepathic conversations with a dead sun, attempts by the govt to eliminate 85% of americans, atlanteans, the illuminati and an alien controlled battle star disguised as a planet. If you were stupid enough to swallow that then there is little that can help you.

It appeals to a particular streak of socially conservative, nationalistic, government hating, conspiracy theorists.

I mean really if you believed that then your stupidity and/or gullibility is truly astounding.

 

[katie_tully]

This is nearly as retarded as the one in NS.
Only not quite as retarded, due to the fact it isnt in NS. Read it. CBF posting it.

 

[physician]

it's an odd question to ask whether we should reunite......like I agree that it would be good if we did not discriminate and saw each others as equals but I am against 'UNITING' the whole world as one......lemme give u an example: China wanted to UNITE Tibet and Taiwan with itself and in the process killed millions of lives...in theory it seems great.....but human beings are selffish....we say we want to unite but in the prcoess we annihilate anything in our way.....there has never been a united world and there never will be .....people will never stop discriminating and hating.....

aha.. so it's the human condition... it's the psychological view of humanity... poeple will always discriminate and hate.... yes i totally agree... and it's been proven many times that the fact that there's someone that we dislike.. or aprt of life that we feel is not apart of us.. we imediately begin to strive in order to achieve a goal... on a personal level.... even in the class... in school, if there was no challenge in the class.. no challenge to gain the highest mark in order to get the best scholarship... i presume everyone would stop working so hard to gain what they've been working so hard for in the first place....

If u told everyone that they'll all be recieving a scholarship to sydney Uni no matter what UAI they get... no one will struggle or strive to achieve a top mark...(if that makes any sence)..

but for example.. like what 'mr eazy' said: " if u wanna unite us all, u have to wait for another natural disaster. See how we all united at the notion that people in S.E asia may be suffering right now? thats unity!"

In fact that is unity... Australia is offering aid.. many survivors who are tourist remiain at their holiday destination in order to help out the injured.... that's what i mean by unity... everyone just put aside their cultural differences ( whilst still remaining loyal to them ) in order to carry out a duty that they felt must be done... I mean although the disaster has been outrageously sad and has been a loss to millions of people many who are now homeless.. but look at what it's done.. people r coming together...

they are coming together in HEART...

KEEP IN MIND THAT THE UNITY WE ARE DISCUSSING IS "UNITY IN HEART" rather than uniting the whole world as one country... or as one culture.. because i mean in reality that's just gonna lead to more deaths... hatred and discrimination...

"UNITY IN HEART"................................

 

[loquasagacious]

if there was no challenge in the class.. no challenge to gain the highest mark in order to get the best scholarship... i presume everyone would stop working so hard to gain what they've been working so hard for in the first place....

I appreciate the point you are making that without cause to compete we wouldn't and progress would thus be hindered. However competition is so deeply ingrained and biologically programmed that we would still compete - if merely for kudos.

In the isolated example you present the scholarships provide an impetuous to competition however competitive natures mean people would still compete for top merely because it is top.

 

[Not-That-Bright]

Most people say they want to be united but they don't really.