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No time to learn for learning's sake when a degree is at stake
June 3, 2005

SPEAK to anyone who's stepped inside a university in the past few years and the story is much the same: overcrowded tutorials, overworked academics, and ever-fewer contact hours. Then there are the whispers that courses are dumbing down and graduation standards declining. So the debate about declining standards and conditions has been long overdue.

International students have been central to much of the discussion. They are reportedly being accepted into courses without adequate English language skills and awarded degrees without reaching basic requirements, benefiting from more lenient approaches to plagiarism, and even having chunks of their theses written for them by their supervisors.

The reason? International students pay the full cost - or more - of their degrees, and universities need the money.

But while universities' reliance on overseas students for funding is a problem - for universities and for overseas students - the matter of declining academic standards doesn't end there.
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Universities aren't just dumbing down for international students, they're dumbing down for local students, too. And it's an issue that goes to the core of how higher education is valued.

Clumsily written excerpts from overseas students' letters and emails may make for easy jokes, but perhaps more disturbing would be excerpts from the essays and correspondence of students born, bred and educated in Australia - students who don't have the excuse of English as a second or third language for their failure to grasp it.

As a postgraduate student at the University of Sydney last year, I was shocked to see the apparent ease with which students can graduate from high school, obtain a credit average at university and even get a master's degree without writing in full sentences (as opposed to point form) or thinking critically about what's on the page in front of them.

It is not the traditional role of university academics to teach students how to read and write. But, as the cost of higher education has shifted from government to the student "consumer", the reasons people attend university have also changed.

Students who are paying through the nose for a degree and juggling study with paid work don't have the luxury of learning for learning's sake. They've been told they're paying for their degrees because they're the net financial beneficiaries of them, and they want value for money.

More than ever, university is a means to an end, a strategic manoeuvre designed to make the leap to the next stepping stone on the path to success that little bit easier. It's about qualification, not education, and passes make degrees, distinctions a summer clerkship at a top-five law firm, and an MBA a $65,000 starting salary as a business consultant. What those letters really signify is another issue altogether.

What we end up with is a higher education system focused on equipping graduates to fulfil specific tasks in specific industries, rather than providing the universal, transferable skills and ideas needed to thrive in an ever-changing workplace.

There are exceptions - and my undergraduate course was one of them - but even there most attempts to teach us how to think were greeted as a waste of time that could be better spent revising the specifics of television news production.

It's not that vocational education doesn't have its place or that students are wrong to want good grades. But, even as more people graduate from university than ever, fewer are graduating with the ability to think independently, to critically consider what's put in front of them, or to develop innovative ways of doing things - essential skills for a healthy democracy, economy and society.

Maybe it should come as no surprise, then, that the latest overseas research indicates that the "value" of a university degree in terms of the increase in income during working life is far less than what had been thought only a few years back.

International students make easy and highly visible scapegoats for declining standards: they pay more for their degrees and are often academically disadvantaged as non-native speakers of the language they're studying in.

But it's important we don't lose sight of the broader reasons underlying declining academic standards; reasons that go a lot further than increased numbers of overseas students.

Rachel Hills, a freelance writer, is a recent graduate of Sydney University's media, communications program.
 

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hmmm she has some valid points there...
there's one guy in my course who can't speak english properly, he's doing primary teaching and can barely string a sentence together. Atm we're doing prac at the school with infants, years k-2, and he had to be put with senior primary. He's not an international student, but surely to become a teacher you need a solid grasp on the english language, its conventions and structure...
 

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I can't say I've actually noticed too much of this at the ANU. Except of course the degree as a means to an end which I actually think is a constant.

The majorituy of people have always done degrees as a stepping stone. They want to become a lawyer/actuary/economist/etc etc and so they study in that field. The only degree in which there is a even substantial miniority who are just doing it out of interest in Arts. And that is how it should be.

I believe that it is patently unfair to compel the low paid workers in Australia who will never enjoy the benefits of a university education to pay for mine (via their taxes - nothings free afterall). For that reason I support HECS (and even if neccessary rises in it), there are cases where HECS debts should be reduced to induce a more desirible outcome eg lower HECS for teachers and nurses.

If for example the cost of education is free (ignoring foregone earnings), then the Marginal Cost is zero, people only stop consuming when Marginal Cost equals Marginal Benefit. Therefore if education were free students would consume more of it however the productivity, efficiency and utility of this surplus education consumed would steadily decline. And when the Social (as opopsed to private MC and MB) MC and MB are factored in we see that were education free the SMB would be far less than the SMC at the level that students would cunsume education.

Anyway I'm getting sidetracked and boring you with economics, my point is that there is no reason for society at large to fund the study of an elites interests and whims. If HECS makes students think more about where they want to go and not do courses they will laterly see as useless then all the better.

There is still nothing stopping people doing things that interest them, indeed most strive to work in a field that interests them. That aside even doing 'specialist degrees' thge vast majority of students choose one or two majors and then do electives that interest them.

For instance at the ANU in a BA it is possible to complete three majors however very few do and this is seen in the majority of degrees across campuss and the majority of students across campuss.

Further the majors within a degree are choosen because the student is interested in them and the courses studied in them. Indeed the advice we were given was not to choose a major till second year to do courses that interested us get a feel of what we liked and follow up thjose we liked. And no this does not invalidate my previous rant re considered choice and wastage as the same courses can contribute to many differing majors.
 

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I must say I see this a lot, in commerce (usyd). I think international students make up 40% of the candidature (and there are also issues with local students). Luckily it's almost not there in law.
 

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addymac said:
I believe that it is patently unfair to compel the low paid workers in Australia who will never enjoy the benefits of a university education to pay for mine (via their taxes - nothings free afterall). For that reason I support HECS (and even if neccessary rises in it), there are cases where HECS debts should be reduced to induce a more desirible outcome eg lower HECS for teachers and nurses.
im not saying degrees should be free, but EVERYONE pays tax and some of that money goes on education. imagine a world without doctors, engineers, lawyers etc. just because they dont go to university, doesnt mean they dont get any benefits. likewise, i dont know anything about plumbing, but i know i need to have plumbers in the society, and if part of the taxes i pay go to TAFE or funding apprenticeship programs, im more than happy with that. i dont think its unreasonable for governments to spend money subsidising peoples study, and most graduates more (than low income workers) and so pay more tax during their working life.
 

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If you read further you will see that I support the current Hecs system - under which our degrees are subsidised.

The arguments you make are just examples of what I referred to later in the rant, eg that university needs to be partially subsidised to ensure a socially optimal level of education.
 

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Our SPM teacher (scanned probe that is) went on recently on how easy we have it nowadays, especially in physics based courses. We now don't do anything near as impossibly hard as they went through and the help to get through wasn't there either. So of course, there was a high failure rate.

But the universities only got funded for bums on seats, so the more people they fail, the less money they get, and hence dumbing of particular degrees to ensure a higher pass right.

This is good and bad though. Good because more people can have a realistic chance of getting a degree, but bad because they wouldn't know what to do.
 

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addymac said:
If you read further you will see that I support the current Hecs system - under which our degrees are subsidised.
why do you say then "I believe that it is patently unfair to compel the low paid workers in Australia who will never enjoy the benefits of a university education to pay for mine"

HECS is only a % of the cost of a degree, the government still pays the rest out of taxes.
 

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I must say I see this a lot, in commerce (usyd). I think international students make up 40% of the candidature (and there are also issues with local students). Luckily it's almost not there in law.
The reason for that is most if not all of the international students wish to secure permanent residency in Australia. In order to achieve this they are required to earn a certain number of points. Currently there's a severe shortage in workers in the commerce field and the government has given them an incentive to study this area by giving you more points. I think also with IT as well.
That's why you see so many internationals in commerce/eco/IT. I doubt many of them really enjoy or want to do anything they're studying but are merely doing it for the sake of migration. They tell me it's almost impossible to secure a job in China/HK/Taiwan and are seeking a better life here.
 

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Hahah shortage of jobs in commerce? What the?

I would have thought the industry is filled to the brim in (almost) every aspect.
 

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noneother said:
The reason for that is most if not all of the international students wish to secure permanent residency in Australia. In order to achieve this they are required to earn a certain number of points.
Currently there's a severe shortage in workers in the commerce field and the government has given them an incentive to study this area by giving you more points. I think also with IT as well.
That's why you see so many internationals in commerce/eco/IT. I doubt many of them really enjoy or want to do anything they're studying but are merely doing it for the sake of migration. They tell me it's almost impossible to secure a job in China/HK/Taiwan and are seeking a better life here.
that is only true for masters students. Undergrads generally go back.

many of them prefer to live back home. Just talk to them.
 

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I think she raises many interesting points.

In my course, which is mostly local students, there are people who are lazy, and aren't even particularly smart, even though the UAI to get in was high.

There are people whose writing style is pretty bad, when one would assume a good grasp of how to write well is necessary to do well in the HSC.

I think that there are problems in high schools with the way the HSC works, and the current crisis in universities lets people cruise through degrees unnoticed and lets people slack off.

It sucks in a way because it is devaluing the worth of a degree that many of us work really hard to achieve.

Education should be available to all.... but degrees shouldn't be handed out like candy to anyone who pays their HECS. People should get in to Australian universities based on merit- and they should be expected to demonstrate that they deserve that degree they walk out with at the end. Otherwise there are ramifications for all of us.

Why should students who are not motivated or interested in their degree be taking a place from someone who may want it badly?

Education is a right, but it comes with responsibility and if people shirk from that responsibility during tertiary education they should not be there.
 

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Hahah shortage of jobs in commerce? What the?

I would have thought the industry is filled to the brim in (almost) every aspect.
Well, this shortage of jobs in commerce is especially prevalent in accounting.

I read an article that revealed plans to allow non-Commerce graduates to learn and practice accounting. This just goes to show how desperately short of accountants Australia is.
 
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But there are so many acct graduates from unis every year...

Doesn't add up.
 

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Lhyviathan said:
Well, this shortage of jobs in commerce is especially prevalent in accounting.

I read an article that revealed plans to allow non-Commerce graduates to learn and practice accounting. This just goes to show how desperately short of accountants Australia is.
That's what they said about IT, which was partly bullshit by the government.
 

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At UWA, International Students are like the joke nobody wants to say, eg the chinese guy in every tute who tries to say something, and the tutor just looks confused and nods awkardly. I hear in Curtin it's really obvious. I got a (literate) buddy who says the econs essays are really easy, just because the standard is so low. Oh yeh, in my last accounting assignment, 15% of the assessment was for 'spelling and grammar'
 
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braindrainedAsh said:
Why should students who are not motivated or interested in their degree be taking a place from someone who may want it badly?

Education is a right, but it comes with responsibility and if people shirk from that responsibility during tertiary education they should not be there.
i agree with that. my thing is with people whose UAIs aren't good enough to get into what they *really* want to do then chose another non-related degree "for the sake of it" or because "their UAI was high enough". What about those who worked hard for a spot and missed out by .05???

anyway, i agree to some respects about the international student ratio. Although there aren't that many international students at ACU (well at my campus anyway) i do understand that they make up the bulk of candidature in some courses at some other unis. I'm not saying we shouldn't take international students in, I think it's great that they want to come here to earn a degree, but I agree that the screening process should be toughened up a little, especially when there are teachers (as tomorrows_angel pointed out) whose English isn't up to scratch.
 

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mishka said:
i agree with that. my thing is with people whose UAIs aren't good enough to get into what they *really* want to do then chose another non-related degree "for the sake of it" or because "their UAI was high enough". What about those who worked hard for a spot and missed out by .05???

anyway, i agree to some respects about the international student ratio. Although there aren't that many international students at ACU (well at my campus anyway) i do understand that they make up the bulk of candidature in some courses at some other unis. I'm not saying we shouldn't take international students in, I think it's great that they want to come here to earn a degree, but I agree that the screening process should be toughened up a little, especially when there are teachers (as tomorrows_angel pointed out) whose English isn't up to scratch.
lecturer's don't exist to teach. they exist to research, so if they can't teach properly this is only minor matter.

if there were less international students there would be less local places and UAI cut offs would be higher...
 

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The reason for that is most if not all of the international students wish to secure permanent residency in Australia. In order to achieve this they are required to earn a certain number of points. Currently there's a severe shortage in workers in the commerce field and the government has given them an incentive to study this area by giving you more points. I think also with IT as well.
That's why you see so many internationals in commerce/eco/IT. I doubt many of them really enjoy or want to do anything they're studying but are merely doing it for the sake of migration. They tell me it's almost impossible to secure a job in China/HK/Taiwan and are seeking a better life here.
Yes there is a shortage in Commerce
However there is a surplus of IT ppl, as witnessed by the high unemployement rates and low graduate wages ($28k pa).
If what you said is true about the govt encouraging international students to fill roles in commerce Im totally disagree with the govt on this, as I think that the govt should be encouraging and suppporting the citizens of Australia in filling these roles first & foremost above any intake in international student grads
 

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