• Best of luck to the class of 2025 for their HSC exams. You got this!
    Let us know your thoughts on the HSC exams here

Solutions of Polynomial equations (1 Viewer)

ConfusionIO

New Member
Joined
Nov 13, 2013
Messages
2
Gender
Male
HSC
2014
Hey guys, I've seen questions like these questions been asked a few times here but I still don't understand a few things about these questions.
The most general questions I've come across so far are questions like these: Solve 8x³-6x-1=0 using cos3θ = 4cos³θ - 3cosθ. Hence deduce cos(π/9) = cos(2π/9) + cos(4π/9). *Cambridge 4.4 Example 20

This is what I know so far:
We want to make the equation for x equal to the one in terms of cos: so 8x³-6x-1=0 and 4cos³θ - 3cosθ. The typical method would be to let x = cosθ. Next, by factorizing 8x³-6x-1=0 we can get 2(4x³-3x) -1=0 thus 2(4cos³θ-3cosθ) -1 = 0. So now we can use the cos3θ result to get 2(cos3θ) - 1 = 0. Arranging to get 3θ = 1/2. The next part is the one which confuses me, if I recall correctly it is the general solution to trigonometric equations from 3U Trig. I've learn doing this way seems to work to get me θ;

cos^-1 (1/2 ± 2πk)/3 which simplifies down to (π ± 6πk)/9. Now what I do is, since the original equation is of degree 3, we need values for k up to 3. So I get the following values for x = cosθ where θ = (π ± 6πk)/9 for values of k = 0, ± 1, ± 2, ± 3. And that way I get x = cos(π/9), cos(7π/9), cos(-5π/9), cos(13π/9), cos(-11π/9), cos(19π/9), cos(-17π/9). However the Cambridge has different x values to what I have. Furthermore they say that values of θ give 3 distinct values of cosθ which some like the cos(π/9) I got right but they make cos(5π/9) = -cos(4π/9), which I think they have subtracted from 180 (π), but why do this, what difference would it make? Any ways they do the same for cos(7π/9) making it -cos(4π/9) and then they list the three.

That is what I think the hardest part for me is to understand. After that, I have am clueless on how to deduce that cos(π/9) = cos(2π/9) + cos(4π/9).

Any help is greatly appreciated, I have 4U Exam coming up in a week! :I
 
Last edited:

Carrotsticks

Retired
Joined
Jun 29, 2009
Messages
9,467
Gender
Undisclosed
HSC
N/A
You should only be substituting in 3 values of K, you are substituting in 7 values. The reason why is because each value of K corresponds to 1 solution for X. If you keep going, you're just cycling through them again.

The way you are expressing your answers is confusing (using inverse cos etc), try something a bit more like this.



It's not 'totally necessary' to do this, but the reason why the Q changes from cos(7pi/9) to - cos(2pi/9) is so then you can have a fairly neat result in the end which shows the relationships between the cosine of various angles.

All I did when I was solving the trig equation was start with the 'basic' solutions pi/3 and keep generating them (next one is 5pi/3) etc until I have 3 values.

You might be wondering why I didn't do the usual plus/minus stuff (ie: why didn't I take cos(plus/minus pi/3) as my first 2 solutions?)

The reason why is because I'm looking for 3 DISTINCT roots. If I were to do the plus/minus stuff, I wouldn't get distinct roots, since cos(X) = cos(-X).
 
Last edited:

ConfusionIO

New Member
Joined
Nov 13, 2013
Messages
2
Gender
Male
HSC
2014
How are the sum of the roots equal to 0? I think I'm missing something; what I'm thinking is sum of roots = -b/a.
:)
 
Last edited:

Carrotsticks

Retired
Joined
Jun 29, 2009
Messages
9,467
Gender
Undisclosed
HSC
N/A
The sum of roots are equal to zero because the polynomial is 8x^3 + 0x^2 -6x - 1 = 0.

Notice that the coefficient of x^2 is zero, hence the sum of roots (using -b/a) is -0/8 = 0.
 

iStudent

Well-Known Member
Joined
Mar 9, 2013
Messages
1,156
Gender
Male
HSC
2014
Thanks carrot!
I always wondered how they removed the plus or minus sign when solving cos* = 0 lol
 

Users Who Are Viewing This Thread (Users: 0, Guests: 1)

Top