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[aLexTasyy]

you are getting it wrong. It's no longer a UAI its an ATAR! get it right...

 

[aussie-boy]

1) The official BOS doesn't pay attention to you, thus thread is pointless

You say that about pretty much any interesting thread on this forum... discussion happens because its stimulating to voice an opinion and get the occasional intelligent response

2) You didn't propose another system, thus arguement is flawed

Yes I did, you obviously haven't been reading my posts. I suggested making all 2 unit subjects of similar difficulty. The scaling would be unchanged, but people would choose to study what they were interested in, knowing that dumb people would no longer flock to "easy" subjects, thereby screwing up the whole cohort's marks.

5) The HSC is not unfair, only people who screw it up say it is.

This is the last time I'm saying this. Take person A and B. They have the same IQs and work ethic. A loves english and maths, but B loves design and technology and economics. If the HSC was fair, their UAIs would be identical. But under the current scaling system, A's will be significantly higher than B's. (Even if A only does advanced english and 2 maths).

 

[James Cos]

Find me a person who got 99+ without ext maths or ext english and then I will concede that I am wrong.

I know someone who got 99.90 without counting any maths at all, and without any ext english.

So you're wrong.

Scaling is fair. There is no way to make two different courses "equal" in difficulty. It's like trying to make an apple and an orange "equal".

Difficulty is always subjective, if you want it to be determined by humans. This is why the best way to compare different courses is by using unbiased statistical methods.

Again, the scaling system never assumes that one course is harder than another; scaling is carried out afresh each year, and this automatically takes into account the difficulty of each exam in each year.

 

[khorne]

IQ has no matter in this.

Subjects are assigned difficulty rankings, and people should be rewarded for doing harder subjects, if they can manage.

Take person A and person B, both are dumbarses, one is less than the other. Person A does Ext 2 maths, person be does general. Person A fails in Ext and gets a shit ATAR, peron B does very well in general and gets a state rank! He gets a good ATAR. How is this not fair?

You cannot proceed to make subjects the same difficulty, because, inherent in the nature of all knowledge, there will be hard and easy subjects. By allowing scaling to take place, people are rewarded for choosing subjects which suit them the best (not too hard, not too easy), thus the system works.

Next, how does DT compare to English or maths? They use TOTALLY different ideas and skills, and as long as you do well at them, you will recieve a good UAI.

Basically, summing up:
The HSC is fair and so is scaling
Can't compare subjects
Different subjects call for different skills

 

[-may-cat-]

Don't try and tell me your UAI would have been anything like that if you hadn't been interested enough in English to do both Ext 1 and 2.

wth, plenty of people get over 95 without any math, science or extensions.

 

[spence]

Don't try and tell me your UAI would have been anything like that if you hadn't been interested enough in English to do both Ext 1 and 2. Find me a person who got 99+ without ext maths or ext english and then I will concede that I am wrong.

Considering everyone who does 3 unit maths and 3 unit english has 2 unit for both counted, this is an extremely stupid argument.

 

[abhi1]

lols....i live on scaling............

y do u fink ppl like me do 4u maths, chem, phys!!!!!

 

[MaNiElla]

posting

 

[absorber]

Hey mate, I've got an idea. Do the HSC, then complain.

 

[-may-cat-]

Hey mate, I've got an idea. Do the HSC, then complain.

lol, but if you disagreed with a system, wouldn't you want it changed before it affected you? Not that posting on bos would change anything.

 

[izzy88]

IFind me a person who got 99+ without ext maths or ext english and then I will concede that I am wrong.

my sister (hsc 2008) uai 99.75; maths, english adv, modern history, ancient history, latin, latin ext.

there- no maths ex or eng ex. and i'm sure there are plenty of other examples out there.

 

[samthebear]

my sister (hsc 2008) uai 99.75; maths, english adv, modern history, ancient history, latin, latin ext.

there- no maths ex or eng ex. and i'm sure there are plenty of other examples out there.

+repp for you :rofl: silly children. its not what you do but how well you do it.

 

[MaNiElla]

posting again

 

[MaNiElla]

im against scaling

 

[aussie-boy]

You cannot proceed to make subjects the same difficulty, because, inherent in the nature of all knowledge, there will be hard and easy subjects. By allowing scaling to take place, people are rewarded for choosing subjects which suit them the best (not too hard, not too easy), thus the system works.

Next, how does DT compare to English or maths? They use TOTALLY different ideas and skills, and as long as you do well at them, you will recieve a good UAI.

Inherent relative difficulties are meaningless when writing HSC courses; no subject is written at the final frontier of a field of knowledge - there is certainly scope to make subjects like DT, economics and geography much much more difficult

You're right that people are rewarded for picking difficult subjects. I agree that they should be. What I'm arguing for is a larger range of "difficult subjects" so that smart people with a broader range of interests than Eng/Maths can maximise their full potential.

In essence I'm not against scaling, just against the harsh damage that scaling does to the marks of intelligent individuals studying "dumb" subjects.

 

[possessionless]

my sister (hsc 2008) uai 99.75; maths, english adv, modern history, ancient history, latin, latin ext.

there- no maths ex or eng ex. and i'm sure there are plenty of other examples out there.

lol
+ 1

 

[Dragonmaster262]

Lol, this thread isn't as funny as this one:

http://community.boredofstudies.org...u-treated-unfair-read-sign-my-petition/5.html

 

[Ishynooshy]

ffs, if you hate the scaling process so much drop out or get an IB.

My advice: Life's a bitch- DEAL WITH IT!

 

[PattieBoi]

Agree with the above.

Stop fucking whinging about scaling, start studying. It's your own fucking fault that you're doing low scaling subjects!

 

[Schoey93]

Retards who whine about scaling...consider this:

1) The official BOS doesn't pay attention to you, thus thread is pointless
2) You didn't propose another system, thus arguement is flawed
3) You have no idea how to compare different students with different subjects (as above)
4) You have no considered that a system must exist to compre different students, and that this system has been around for years without any major disadvantage.
5) The HSC is not unfair, only people who screw it up say it is.

Those who post in threads without out reading my original posters messages embedded in pages 1-5, consider this:

1) The BOS will pay attention to anyone who contacts them via phone, kicks up their feet and makes a fuss about serious mistreatment of student marks (they have to... it's the law and their repsonsibility to allow you access to your OWN raw marks).
2) I actually did propose a new system, which you obviously were too FUCKING LASY to read, which of course reflects you favouring a system where people with excellent mathematical ability such as yourself, can do minimal work (1.5 hours study and H/W or so combined per night) and still achieve a 95.00+ ATAR. Now, don't get me wrong, I love math too; but I don't go doing 4u math, phys and chem, eng adv and such just to scale me up. I actually have a wide variety of subjects; and maths won't even count for me because I do it at TAFE and it is not an HSC-recognised course.
3) NOT TRUE, the HSC is unfair and many a student who has achieved 90 UAI + has said so, many times before.

Take, for example, jennieTalia, BoS member and anti-scaling rep. She got a NSW UAI of 96.20 and despite her cough cough slightly euphoric joy and so on about getting into her desired course; she WAS disappointed that she didn't achieve a higher UAI despie eight units of Band Sixes.