Taiwan/China/US (2 Viewers)

[truly-in-bliss]

i see wot u mean abt tibet and east turkistan... but why east/middle and south china??

 

[Toodulu]

Originally posted by truly-in-bliss
well the chinese really hate the tawiwanese and vice versa due to the government.

haha really? the impression i got was that people are heaps keen to be "reunited" and stuff

 

[Toodulu]

Originally posted by ...
toodulu will bomb my bedroom if i said taiwain smells

haha you can bomb my bedroom anytime professor

 

[um..]

woo wooo!
*tugs collar*

 

[truly-in-bliss]

um.. is in this thread just cuz of toodz.. how cute

 

[leetom]

Why the hell can't asians just get along?

I mean, they should be banding together to fight poverty in asian populations- like getting Asians out of sweatshops owned by US companies. Modern China has all but completely discarded Mao ideals- there's no way Mao would have stood around watching foreign manufacturing companies exploit Chinese workers. Deng did get China out of the shits and made alot of Chinese happy and wealthier, but there are still some nong min out there in the provinces doing it rough and the Chinese government isn't doing much to help them.

Today's Chinese government is an insult to Communism, to Mao and to the people who marched the thousand miles.

And to the guy who thinks China's Air Force wouldn't hold- look at Wang Wei. If China is teaching all her pilots to be like Mr Wang, she will crush any who stand in her path.

oh and Bliss, I'll buy what you have for 2 unit mathematics, thanks.

 

[Panda Bear]

hilarious.. simply hilarious mate

 

[jm1234567890]

They don't want to give up taiwan because of the priciple of the situtation. Nobody steals from china.

 

[ameh]

leetom
- like Mao didn't exploit China enough?

 

[leetom]

leetom
- like Mao didn't exploit China enough?

hello my name is tom seeing if this works

 

[Panda Bear]

hello my name is tom seeing if this works

cough.. like we were supposed to know that

 

[leetom]

leetom
- like Mao didn't exploit China enough?

If Mao didn't 'exploit' China and the Nationailists were victorious, we wouldn't have the great America-scaring state that we have today. Nobody tells China what to do. Can you imagine if China had the same weak foreign policy as those spineless Taiwanese? They'd be letting Westerners walk all over them. There wouldn't of been a Wang Wei!

It was under Mao's leadership that China emerged from the shits. As far as I know Mao Zedong was not corrupt, he didn't throw lavish parties for his friends at the expense of the people. Mind you, I'm very resentful of the way Mao trashed old Peking and wrecked the environment with the Great Leap Forward (cool name though, and he had China's interest at heart).

China is the only independant Asian nation, well, at least the only mildly successful independant Asian nation and the Chinese people look to Mao for that sucess. Japan and Taiwan continue to leech of the US and their independane and national pride suffer as a consequence (exept for Taiwan, they shouldn't have any independance, they're just sour becasue they lost to Mao and fled to a shitpot little island, where they continue to be sour.) The Taiwanese arn't racially different from the Chinese. They really are nothing more than a renegade province.

On the note of being racially different, Tibet deserves independance. An apology too. Tibetans are entirely different from Chinese.

 

[scoff]

They don't want to give up taiwan because of the priciple of the situtation. Nobody steals from china.

Whoah, hang on, who steals from whom? It's all about face for the mainlanders, while for the Taiwanese (those who care) it's abt havign a functioning democracy. I mean, it's really weird how China pushes this "one country" crap when, on any objective examination, the PRC and the ROC are separate countries.

But then again, there is the issue on Taiwan of the Chinese Taiwanese (i.e. post civil war refugees) versus the Taiwanese (i.e. pre-civil war Chinese, who were already there under the Japanese occupation. And that's not to mention the aboriginal Taiwanese.

But it seems to me that Taiwan (sorry, should've said ROC, since it's not just Taiwan province but bits of two other provinces as well) is the only functioning Chinese democray in the world, so for the ROC people that's important. For the PRC, it's about "face" and being the "only" government of China, although I am not sure why that would be that important.

I mean really, do you think that China is _really_ scared of the US? I had a friend in 'Nam, and he said that rule number one was: stay away from the Americans: they make noise (songs, shouting) in the jungle, give away their positions by cigarette smoke, and in general were badly trained. Americans have good weaponry, but lack the capability of fighting a protracted war.

RobC (sick of collating marks)

 

[Snapwizard]

I mean, they should be banding together to fight poverty in asian populations- like getting Asians out of sweatshops owned by US companies. Modern China has all but completely discarded Mao ideals- there's no way Mao would have stood around watching foreign manufacturing companies exploit Chinese workers. Deng did get China out of the shits and made alot of Chinese happy and wealthier, but there are still some nong min out there in the provinces doing it rough and the Chinese government isn't doing much to help them.

It was under Mao's leadership that China emerged from the shits. As far as I know Mao Zedong was not corrupt, he didn't throw lavish parties for his friends at the expense of the people. Mind you, I'm very resentful of the way Mao trashed old Peking and wrecked the environment with the Great Leap Forward (cool name though, and he had China's interest at heart).

China is the only independant Asian nation, well, at least the only mildly successful independant Asian nation and the Chinese people look to Mao for that sucess. Japan and Taiwan continue to leech of the US and their independane and national pride suffer as a consequence (exept for Taiwan, they shouldn't have any independance, they're just sour becasue they lost to Mao and fled to a shitpot little island, where they continue to be sour.) The Taiwanese arn't racially different from the Chinese. They really are nothing more than a renegade province.

I like your thinking Yep Mao would be turning in his grave ~~ You can think what ever you want about this guy but he was the what changed China from a country of poverty to what it is today ~~ A very powerful socialist power (Well personally I fell its more socialist then communist.)

You can support Americans and their ideology all you want and hate commuism as much or as little as you want ~~ but I'm a Chinese and I have no doubt in my mind, as does alot of other Chinese that if it wasnt for communism I'd be in some getto country town, probably a farmer why the nationalist will be controlling the country and exploiting the poor just as they did before communism which was why it was formed in the first place ~~ for equality ~~ although not perfect or as most pure ideaologist would have wanted it ~~ it was alot better then what it could have been.

On TiB's second point ~~ no there wont be a nuclear war ~~ China will not initate a nuclear war cuase of MAD (if you dont know what that stands for, then head for the books, history really is a great subject) ~~ Anyways China has god aweful airforce but have spent quite a bit in buying state of the art French war plaines and heavily discounted old Russian Migs and as every day pass the Difference in American and Chinese superiority shortens especially econoically.

If Jony Kerry win the election then America will cut massive funding to their military ~~ ~~ and the rest hasent happened yet.

 

[truly-in-bliss]

Why the hell can't asians just get along?

I mean, they should be banding together to fight poverty in asian populations- like getting Asians out of sweatshops owned by US companies. Modern China has all but completely discarded Mao ideals- there's no way Mao would have stood around watching foreign manufacturing companies exploit Chinese workers. Deng did get China out of the shits and made alot of Chinese happy and wealthier, but there are still some nong min out there in the provinces doing it rough and the Chinese government isn't doing much to help them.

Today's Chinese government is an insult to Communism, to Mao and to the people who marched the thousand miles.

And to the guy who thinks China's Air Force wouldn't hold- look at Wang Wei. If China is teaching all her pilots to be like Mr Wang, she will crush any who stand in her path.

oh and Bliss, I'll buy what you have for 2 unit mathematics, thanks.

i dunt know whether i should laugh my head off or be deeply disturbed.

 

[santaslayer]

oh and Bliss, I'll buy what you have for 2 unit mathematics, thanks.

i dunt know whether i should laugh my head off or be deeply disturbed.

The customer is always right. :uhhuh:

 

[berry580]

yes.. being chinese myself... and my dad being taiwanese.. the taiwanese seriously and i mean seriosuly hate the mainland fobz.. dun really know whys though..mainly because the mainland fobz wont let the tainwan people go independent.. as bliss said..

Atleast you called yourself a Chinese for a start.

Mainland 'fobz'? Fresh off boatz?
If they 'wont let the tainwan people go independent', then that means they're still in China (mainland can be refering to any land, so be specific), that means they've never been on the 'boat', then 'fresh off' , so what is 'fobz' suppose to mean?

but it is also the fact that the chinese governement is jealous of tainwan's democratic society.. thats my opinion neways...

but i really like wat u said bliss.. how the taiwanese government is dependent on the US governemtn while the mainland fobs aren't..

nice piece of research.. ...

Jealous of tainwan's democratic society? LOL

Question- Are Chinese which are as arrogant as the Americans known as the 'Taiwanese'? ROFLMAO

 

[berry580]

So China's exerting their dominace and acting all tough again.

ANd once more the UN is powerless because China is a permanent member of the security council

And America's exerting their dominace and acting all tough all the time.
ANd once more the UN is powerless because US is a permanent member of the security council.

Btw, what do you mean by China is exerting their dominance?
Do you see PRC troops killing Taiwanese troops like squashing bugs? I sure don't, but I'm not so sure you, since people something can have great imaginations.
(e.g Saving the world by invading some oil filled place)
And what do you mean by China is acting all tough?
It is the Americans and Taiwanese that are trying to make the Chinese look threatening trying isolate the Chinese by exaggerating China's defence budget, by exaggerating China's air force and naval force's power (e.g By calling them 'advanced', but in fact their overall power is still technologically inferior to the Americans by atleast a generation).

 

[berry580]

Dont mess with japs! they probably got a stash of mechwarriors and mechas and assorted other battleships under tokyo!! Look they raised a standing army out of nowhere!!

*looks suspiciously at the japanese*

Japanese?
Their navy is quite formidable, but what can their army do? Show Ayumi naked to the PRC troops, and let every soldier 'have a go', hoping the Chinese would let them go? LMAO

taiwan should attack china and reclaim at least the southern part of china..
and call it Southern China

Yeah, I reckon the Taiwanese should too.
That'll be an exceptionally good excuse for China's Second Artillery to flatten Taiwan with its 500 SRBM thats waiting for the button now.

not realli..... if there is a war US will win the war for sure... this is because not only is the US army powerful but .

If US and China does have a war in the air and sea only, the PLAN and PLAAF probably wouldn't exist anymore within a month, if not less.

also the tawiwanes have excellent air force, like 3 times as better as chinas. plus in terms of pure military power, china is sorta behind in terms of airforce and esp navy (which is bad for china cuz most likely the taiwanese will be attacking via air and water)... though some predict china will catch up around 5 yrs time...

LOL

Mate, then I guess you need to update your data by 6 years!! LMAO

Currently, both the PLAN and PLAAF is comparable, if not already superior to the ROCN and ROCAF, and both the PLAN and PLAAF still has great potential in grow (in terms of technology and quantity) as a result of imports from Russia and indigenous intergrations with foreign technology, while the ROCN and ROCAF is still begging the Americans to sell them military units which are comparable (if not inferior) to Chinese counter-parts.

 

[berry580]

The Taiwanese arn't racially different from the Chinese. They really are nothing more than a renegade province.

On the note of being racially different, Tibet deserves independance. An apology too. Tibetans are entirely different from Chinese.

I agree totally with both of your statements, but with the second one- Do you see US troops out of the Pearl Harbour (Hawaii)?

I mean, it's really weird how China pushes this "one country" crap when, on any objective examination, the PRC and the ROC are separate countries.

I mean, it's really weird how US pushes this "I support China by selling Taiwan weapon" crap when, on any objective examination, the ROC are nothing more than Chinese rebels that had US supported in WWII and Chinese civil war and now they continue to supprt them while their claim to be with the Chinese (NOT US dog versions= Xxxxxxx).

I mean really, do you think that China is _really_ scared of the US? I had a friend in 'Nam, and he said that rule number one was: stay away from the Americans: they make noise (songs, shouting) in the jungle, give away their positions by cigarette smoke, and in general were badly trained. Americans have good weaponry, but lack the capability of fighting a protracted war

Well thats a thing of the past now, you really should head about how effective the U.S. S.F. was against the Iraqis (in both war)