The case of drug trafficker Nguyen Tuong Van (1 Viewer)

[midnight_magick]

I was wondering what everyone things about his likely execution. I find it sad that he's going to be executed, even though he did do the crime. But there seems to be little support for him out there, and I'm getting the sense that people either don't care or wish to see him hung. What about the Bali nine? There seems to be a lot of sympathy for them out there even though they are guilty of basically the same crime.
There are many reasons out there against his exection- the chance that he will be fully rehabilitated, his knowledge of the drugs syndicate, Australia's stance against capital punishment... But then the drug he was carrying could havelead to the deaths of users in Australia.
So plz people, tell me what you think of this whole situation. It will be deeply appreciated

 

[frog12986]

The Bali Nine, Michelle Leslie and Nguyen will all receive what they rightly deserve..when one commits a crime in another juristiction, that perpetrator will face the parameters of that judicial system regardless as to how 'primitive' or 'barbaric' that system may be in certain peoples eyes...

Each year, many people from all corners of the world commit crimes in other juristictions and face the wrath of the judicial system that exists there. However, each time an Australian perpetrates offences in these nations, a small group of people immediately question the sentence and its validity. If these people are excepted from their sentences, it essentially absolves the responsibility for the crime that they knowingly committed, and compromises the system that exists there as well as future cases of a similar nature..

Its a simple notion..commit the crime and face the boundaries and authority of that particular juristiction..no complexity to that whatsoever..

I have absolutely no respect for those who are involved with drug trafficking or similar drug related crimes...

 

[Wooz]

I was wondering what everyone things about his likely execution. I find it sad that he's going to be executed, even though he did do the crime. But there seems to be little support for him out there, and I'm getting the sense that people either don't care or wish to see him hung. What about the Bali nine? There seems to be a lot of sympathy for them out there even though they are guilty of basically the same crime.
There are many reasons out there against his exection- the chance that he will be fully rehabilitated, his knowledge of the drugs syndicate, Australia's stance against capital punishment... But then the drug he was carrying could havelead to the deaths of users in Australia.
So plz people, tell me what you think of this whole situation. It will be deeply appreciated

It's unfortunate that he smuggled drugs, he was trying to help pay of his brothers legal fees, it's hard to understand why he wasnt given a life sentence when he fully co-operated and helped them with inquiries.

There's an appeal by amnesty international: http://www.amnesty.org.au/Act_now/a...ies_to_stop_the_execution_of_van_tuong_nguyen

Recommended action:
Please send appeals in English to arrive as quickly as possible:

urging the Cabinet to reconsider the decision to refuse clemency in the case of Van Tuong Nguyen, and commute his death sentence;
urging them to impose a moratorium on executions, with a view to complete abolition, in line with the April 2005 UN Commission on Human Rights (UNCHR) resolution on the question of the death penalty;
noting that the UNCHR has urged states which still maintain the death penalty not to impose it as a mandatory sentence, or for crimes without lethal or extremely grave consequences.

Appeals to
Prime Minister
LEE Hsien Loong
Prime Minister's Office
Istana, Orchard Rd
Singapore 238823
Fax: 0015 65 6332 8983
Email: lee_hsien_loong@pmo.gov.sg
Salutation: Dear Prime Minister

Minister of Law
Prof. S. Jayakumar
Ministry of Law
100 High Street
The Treasury #08-02
Singapore 179434
Fax: 0015 65 6332 8842
Email: jayakumar_s@mfa.gov.sg
Salutation: Dear Minister

Attorney General
Chan Sek Keong
Attorney General's Chambers
1 Coleman Street #10 00
Singapore 179803
Fax: 0015 65 6332 5984
Email: agc@agc.gov.sg
Salutation: Dear Attorney General
Copies to
His Excellency Mr Joseph K H KOH
High Commissioner for Singapore
High Commission of the Republic of Singapore
17 Forster Crescent
Yarralumla ACT 2600
Fax: (02) 6273 9823
Email: singapore_hc@bigpond.com
Salutation: Your Excellency
Recommended wording for appeal
His Excellency Joseph Koh
High Commissioner
High Commission of the Republic of Singapore
17 Forster Crescent
YARRALUMLA ACT 2600
Your Excellency

I am appealing to your Cabinet to urgently reconsider granting clemency to Australian man Van Tuong Nguyen who will otherwise be executed for drug trafficking.

I believe the death penalty is the most cruel and inhumane punishment and is an appalling abuse of the most fundamental human right - the right to life. Van Tuong Nguyen is a young man with no prior criminal conviction who does not deserve to pay the ultimate price for this mistake.

I understand under Singapore's Constitution, clemency can be granted in rare circumstances and that Van Tuong Nguyen's case fits the criteria - I believe he has always shown remorse, confessed at the earliest opportunity and cooperated fully with the Singaporean authorities and the Australian Federal Police.

I urge your government to show compassion and grant clemency to this young man.

Yours sincerely

PLEASE SEND YOUR APPEALS IMMEDIATELY.

PLZ help save his life email the letter on the bottom to:
lee_hsien_loong@pmo.gov.sg
jayakumar_s@mfa.gov.sg
agc@agc.gov.sg
singapore_hc@bigpond.com

 

[Iron]

The Australian had a macabre piece about the fine details on hanging - how the length and elasticity needed to be carefully arranged so as to snap the neck etc. Even though this isnt an exact science, Singapore has often been 'slack' with this - the result is usually death by suffocation or decapitation.
I think it was also noted that Singapore has, by far, the world's largest per capita executions and that the prison where it all takes place happens to be the new and improved POW camp, Changi.

 

[walrusbear]

i'm not sure what can be done, but it's deeply regrettable

the death penalty is simply a piece of shit

 

[Wooz]

i'm not sure what can be done, but it's deeply regrettable

the death penalty is simply a piece of shit

Just appeal/write to singapores prime minister!!!

 

[walrusbear]

Just appeal/write to singapores prime minister!!!

those don't get read

 

[grag balbrady]

The Bali Nine, Michelle Leslie and Nguyen will all receive what they rightly deserve..when one commits a crime in another juristiction, that perpetrator will face the parameters of that judicial system regardless as to how 'primitive' or 'barbaric' that system may be in certain peoples eyes...

Each year, many people from all corners of the world commit crimes in other juristictions and face the wrath of the judicial system that exists there. However, each time an Australian perpetrates offences in these nations, a small group of people immediately question the sentence and its validity. If these people are excepted from their sentences, it essentially absolves the responsibility for the crime that they knowingly committed, and compromises the system that exists there as well as future cases of a similar nature..

Its a simple notion..commit the crime and face the boundaries and authority of that particular juristiction..no complexity to that whatsoever..

I have absolutely no respect for those who are involved with drug trafficking or similar drug related crimes...

i thought you liberals loved the free market

what's wrong with meeting the demand for drugs with supply

 

[fantasia]

why are the bali nine in the media alot more than this nguyen dude?

i mean aussies are helping out the bali nine alot more than they are helping nguyen tuong van. To me it's quite sad how we're focusing on the bali nine, michelle leslie etc.

yeh he did smuggle drugs, he admitted to it. Yeh most likely he would be executed, and that's according to the laws of singapore. We should be trying to help this guy on the basis that human life is valueable. I mean we dont have to do anything drastic, collectively as a nation we can do something.

 

[midnight_magick]

why are the bali nine in the media alot more than this nguyen dude?

i mean aussies are helping out the bali nine alot more than they are helping nguyen tuong van. To me it's quite sad how we're focusing on the bali nine, michelle leslie etc.

yeh he did smuggle drugs, he admitted to it. Yeh most likely he would be executed, and that's according to the laws of singapore. We should be trying to help this guy on the basis that human life is valueable. I mean we dont have to do anything drastic, collectively as a nation we can do something.

i agree here, yes he did smuggle drugs, he did do the crime, but the situation is far from simple. he does deserve punishment for what he has done-as is the ideal, noone should be allowed to get away with their crimes. but, as fantasia said, shouldn't we focus on the value of human life, the likelihood of rehabilitation and show mercy- one of the supposed ideals of being human? i understand why people are disgusted by drug smuggling crimes, but i dont agree with the simple 'you do the crime you get killed'. life isn't black or white and neither should it be.

 

[Wooz]

There Have Been Dozens Of Life Sentences Given Out, In Fact Well Over 30 In The Last Few Years. It's Becuase They Have Names Like Mine For Instence Lee, Ngueyen, ....the Media Is Racist And Has A White Stigma Behind It And It's A Fact. For Instance When Crimes Are Commited By People Of Non White Races They Say A Muslim Man Did... An Aboriginal ... And Base Every Non-white Crime On Their Race. That is why we have heard so little from other drug cases involving non-whites.

 

[Wooz]

those don't get read

Still it is better to do something rather then not doing anything at all!!!

 

[midnight_magick]

There Have Been Dozens Of Life Sentences Given Out, In Fact Well Over 30 In The Last Few Years. It's Becuase They Have Names Like Mine For Instence Lee, Ngueyen, ....the Media Is Racist And Has A White Stigma Behind It And It's A Fact. For Instance When Crimes Are Commited By People Of Non White Races They Say A Muslim Man Did... An Aboriginal ... And Base Every Non-white Crime On Their Race. That is why we have heard so little from other drug cases involving non-whites.

yep, as much as we hate to admit, there is some degree of bias

 

[fantasia]

i also guess that the stereotype that asians are drug dealers/smugglers etc. still exists prominent within the media and australian society. when i talk to people who don't have much of a clue about cabramatta, one of the first things they ask me is whether it's still drugged up.

cabramatta has cleaned up alot. i think people should try to help out this nguyen tuong van person because he's an 'australian' just like everyone of us, not because he's a 'vietnamese australian' who has a name that's hard to pronounce. Sure he should be punished for his crime, but not death. Even if we could reduce it to a life sentence that would have been an achievement good enough. I mean look at the chabelle corby campaign.. look at the media frenzy, and she's only being sentenced to prison. On the otherhand this guy is gonna get executed.

 

[zahid]

those don't get read

you worked in the pm's office did you?

 

[zahid]

^
man at least this guy was honest in admitting that he was drug trafficking. That chappelle Corby bitch is the one that needs to be hung for lying.
I feel genuinely sorry for this guy.

 

[+Po1ntDeXt3r+]

i think u should let a justice be served as they see appropriate..
drugs restrictions in Singapore have made it worse for some seeking treatment.. but as a whole its tougher stance means they have less drug related problems compared to australia..

and yet we havent objected to a kabul court sentencing 2 afghanis to death for killing an australian..

 

[nwatts]

i mean aussies are helping out the bali nine alot more than they are helping nguyen tuong van. To me it's quite sad how we're focusing on the bali nine, michelle leslie etc.

Especially when the Bali Nine are the biggest pack of morons ever to grace this earth. This Nguyen smuggled drugs to help his brother out of debt, and has been counselling inmates on death-row ever since he was locked up. The guy made a mistake, but he's handled it bloody well. I really feel for him and his family. Unlike that of the Bali Nine/Leslie/Corby, who I honestly couldn't care less about.

 

[Lundy]

His crime is contemptible and punishment is due, but I can never accept or respect capital punishment as a form of "justice."

 

[supercharged]

Especially when the Bali Nine are the biggest pack of morons ever to grace this earth. This Nguyen smuggled drugs to help his brother out of debt, and has been counselling inmates on death-row ever since he was locked up. The guy made a mistake, but he's handled it bloody well. I really feel for him and his family. Unlike that of the Bali Nine/Leslie/Corby, who I honestly couldn't care less about.

The Bali Nine and Corby sack of fake drama queen shits most definately deserve to be hanged. At least Nguyen admits to his own stupid mistake. However Leslie should be let off with just a fine if she agrees to star in a porn video as 'punishment'