The "how much do books for (insert unit) cost?" thread (1 Viewer)

[Cyan_phoeniX]

I have one question, but i guess this can be a general thread for anyone asking questions about uni books and getting help from anyone who knows:

Does anyone know How much does the 1st year law books cost at maq?
And does anyone know the pricelist for 2nd year psych books? (r they up yet?)


thanks to any help.

 

[MaryJane]

hey! come and buy my law books!!!!

jurisprudence course notes are around $40, and torts book is $150-ish... well thats what it was last year....


you can buy them off me... i'll give you the jurisprudence ones if you buy my torts (i'm selling good old torts text for $100)

second year psych im not sure, i'm the the same boat as you, but i'm thinking they might be pricy because they are specialised units (eg. cognitive, social etc)

 

[Cyan_phoeniX]

ill consider that. that sounds like a good deal.

but i have to wait, because the texts might change this year. For example, the second semester unit has a different name so i don't know if its the same books or not.

 

[MaryJane]

np. pm me if they end up being the same

 

[flyin']

don't most unis in new south wales do juri and torts in first year law, not just macq?

 

[MaryJane]

don't most unis in new south wales do juri and torts in first year law, not just macq?

I know UNSW does it this way and I'm pretty sure Sydney does too...

How does it go with doing Jurisprudence in the first year ?
Most other law faculties offer Juris as a 3rd year subject.

Yes, I know that Mac's law faculty is strong on Juris, but I would have
thought that it was a bit too abstract and airy-fairy to be digested by first years

it is a bit abstract and dry at first, but then you move onto interesting debates regarding abortion, AI, surrogacy etc. and its fantastic!

the reason they do it in first year is for two reasons; 1. to weed out the poor students first semester (there is a high fail rate, and while you can continue onto torts with just a pass, it shows students just how heavy the study load is for law) and 2. they get it done first year so that we can then move onto the real law, rather than law theory. think about it; it doesn't make sense for a 3rd year law student to learn the philosophical roots of law, while they should be studying the constitution (an area of law one actually practises) instead of information which is not directly relevant in the courtroom...and its got to be "digested" at some stage it helps in the rest of the study of law, it casts a light over the rest of the subjects and how one should view the law.

 

[GoodToGo]

It's not so much there is a high 'failure rate' for Juris (I only know one person that actually failed it), but there is a high 'drop-out' rate, i.e. not continuing on with law after 1st sem.

cyan - the units have changed for 1st year after the overhaul of the LLB.

1st sem - LAW114 Jurisprudence 3pts

2nd sem - LAW104 Law, Lawyers and Society 3pts

You'll be doing Torts in your second year. I wouldn't buy Juris readers off anyone as they change slightly every year.

mj - $150 for a book?!? That's insane.


No other uni has a full on jurisprudence subject in first year like mac does. Some said law 113 didn't prepare you enough for the black-letter nature of torts, hence the addition of law104, which has subsumed 5th year legal ethics unit.

 

[Cyan_phoeniX]

It's not so much there is a high 'failure rate' for Juris (I only know one person that actually failed it), but there is a high 'drop-out' rate, i.e. not continuing on with law after 1st sem.

cyan - the units have changed for 1st year after the overhaul of the LLB.

1st sem - LAW114 Jurisprudence 3pts

2nd sem - LAW104 Law, Lawyers and Society 3pts

You'll be doing Torts in your second year. I wouldn't buy Juris readers off anyone as they change slightly every year.

mj - $150 for a book?!? That's insane.


No other uni has a full on jurisprudence subject in first year like mac does. Some said law 113 didn't prepare you enough for the black-letter nature of torts, hence the addition of law104, which has subsumed 5th year legal ethics unit.

yeah, all i know is that the law books are a lot of money, i remember when a friend was buying law books it cost her a fortune. So the readers change slightly, dam, that probably means i will buy it new then. Just curious, but what is the fail rate in these two units?

EDIT: and i noticed they are both worth 3cp each now, unlike last year where one was worth 4cp..hmm

 

[MaryJane]

No.
UNSW have these as there 1x courses: (taken over the first two years )

LAWS1001 Criminal Law 1
LAWS1011 Criminal Law 2
LAWS1052 Foundations of Law
LAWS1061 Torts
LAWS1071 Contracts 1
LAWS1072 Contracts 2
LAWS1081 Property, Equity and Trusts 1
LAWS1082 Property and Equity 2

Foundations of law is just based on "Laying down the law"

They do Legal Theory in year 3 or 4 , which is their Juris course.

Sounds pretty odd to do Juris in Year 1.

ok, well they've changed the course, just like MQ have, because I have a friend who is now in 2nd year law from UNSW, and he's done juris; we used to discuss it.

and gtg, its an expensive book, but v. well written, and it doesnt seem to be updated v. frequently, thus poor broke souls like myself have a chance of selling it!

 

[GoodToGo]

and gtg, its an expensive book, but v. well written, and it doesnt seem to be updated v. frequently, thus poor broke souls like myself have a chance of selling it!

mj - Yeah but $150. I've never paid that much for one book. I thought it was just Luntz and Hambly...which was less than $100 from memory. Oh, just letting you know that u might wanna keep your Torts and Contracts books for Remedies in 4th year. It'll come in handy.

Wait till property law...the 4 books will bleed you dry!

cyan - Yeah the reason both the 1st year units are 3 credit pts now is because they needed to keep the overall requirement of LAW credit pts the same.

LAW104 is essentially LAW518 (2credit pts) + 1 credit pt from Jurisprudence (used to be 4pts), thereby totally 3 credit pts for both.

 

[GoodToGo]

Oh while there are law students looking at this, make sure you sign up for Mooting and Witness Examination for Semester 1. Competitions are a really important part of lawschool, and the earlier u get into mooting the better. It's such a huge advantage when it comes to making applications for work. And later in your lawschool lives you can be a part of intervarsity teams, get airfares covered to go overseas and get credit as electives for em:


LAW430 Jessup International Law Moot

LAW531 National or International Mooting

LAW534 International Moot Court Competition in Information Technology and
Privacy Law

LAW535 Willem C. Vis International Arbitration Moot

 

[MaryJane]

Oh while there are law students looking at this, make sure you sign up for Mooting and Witness Examination for Semester 1. Competitions are a really important part of lawschool, and the earlier u get into mooting the better. It's such a huge advantage when it comes to making applications for work. And later in your lawschool lives you can be a part of intervarsity teams, get airfares covered to go overseas and get credit as electives for em:


LAW430 Jessup International Law Moot

LAW531 National or International Mooting

LAW534 International Moot Court Competition in Information Technology and
Privacy Law

LAW535 Willem C. Vis International Arbitration Moot

i was going to do mooting, but didnt because i havent ever been much of a public speaker. and i know what you're going to say: "all the more reason to moot", but its not that easy! have a majority of people mooted by the third year? i suppose i should join; are there many first timers in 2nd year, or are they all experienced first years?

oh, and isnt it exceptionally hard?

what benefit does witness exam hold (apart from the obvious 'witness exam tech's)? mootings better, i take it? i think witness would be interesting. when are the signup dates?

...i cant believe i just talked myself into doing it: Peer Pressure!

 

[Cyan_phoeniX]

whats 'mooting' and that witness exam thing? Is the first sort of like public speaking and is it outside of the uni units (sort of like a club thing?). I love arguments, but only when i get time to prepare..i am a little slow to argue back and forwards without much time in between. anywayz, help as to what they are exactly would be appreciated.

 

[GoodToGo]

whats 'mooting' and that witness exam thing? Is the first sort of like public speaking and is it outside of the uni units (sort of like a club thing?). I love arguments, but only when i get time to prepare..i am a little slow to argue back and forwards without much time in between. anywayz, help as to what they are exactly would be appreciated.

Yeah it's a law society thing for law students. Mooting is like a mock trial, but the appeal case from a decision. You prepare with a team and present to a judge (or judges). There are usually 3 round for everyone and semis and final. The final will be at the supreme court or federal court and will be in front of a real judge.

It's excellent experience, and like I said, the earlier you start the better.