Harder than general, however.Mumma said:Failing 2U maths means you're a dumbshit because its a piss-easy course. Not only does it doom you to failure in commerce, but life too.
haha, how politically incorrect, tell that to Shakespeare or Winston Churchill.Mumma said:Failing 2U maths means you're a dumbshit because its a piss-easy course. Not only does it doom you to failure in commerce, but life too.
Both assholes.mimiian said:haha, how politically incorrect, tell that to Shakespeare or Winston Churchill.
Once again, for the people who cannot read: the university is only looking at subject results for English and maths if you do not meet the cut-off requirement. It is not a general filter. Anyone who actually makes the cut-off requirement will get in.mimiian said:If UNSW seriously think ppl who fail 2u maths or English should not be doing commerce, then they should explicitly state that good marks in these subjects are prerequisites.
Furthermore, failing 2u maths doesn't mean one is doomed to fail in Commerce, majors such as economics or management or marketing require less numerical skills.
The fact that everyone takes English as a subject does not automatically qualifies that there is no problem using that as a standard. People who do not excel in English are not necessarily bad Commerce students, there are friends of mine who did ESL english or standard english for HSC but still manage to achieve high marks for commerce subjects in uni. The link between Commerce and English is not as apparent as the link between Law or Literature and English.
I just think UNSW should not suddenly decided to use its own system and selection criterion without give an obvious warning to the students. Some students may be really eager to study commerce and aced in all the business study and economics for HSC, but did not put as much effort in English or maths, so maybe a warning would be helpful to them.
Yeh, "anarchy" could be worse one day. This system only benefits THE RICHpolitik said:No, it is the general cutoff.
It happens every year.
This is just another case of sensationalist reporting. LOLZ, RICH PPLZ ARE PAYING FOR DER DEGREEZ! ANARCHY!
...AND THE HOPELESS (i.e UAI<85)The University of Technology, Sydney, is taking students who scored up to 15 points below the UAI cut-off of 85 for its engineering course if they score highly in a questionnaire testing their motivation and professional suitability.
Once again, for the people who cannot read: English and maths results are not good indicators to show whether a person is suitable for commerce or not. If UNSW accept ppl with UAI below its official cutoff purely on the basis of English and maths result, then perhaps it should lower its UAI and find a better way to beat USyd, or perhaps the nerds at UNSW can communciate with HSC students and tell them their selection criterion BEFORE the release date.MoonlightSonata said:Once again, for the people who cannot read: the university is only looking at subject results for English and maths if you do not meet the cut-off requirement. It is not a general filter. Anyone who actually makes the cut-off requirement will get in.
um, modern history is not out of 50, and also, if he had gotten the marks you claim, his UAI would be around 98.xxvnblueberry said:uhh i got a friend that got
86 in english, 91 for 2 unit maths and 44/50 for ext 1 maths
and did NOT make it into commerce @ unsw?
do you guys think he has a strong case?
his other subjects were modern history 41/50 and japanese (band 6, forgot the mark) and chemistry 86 ..
now .. he beat me in all the subjects that i did with him (english, maths 2unit, maths ext 1, chem)..
yet i got in and he didnt .. to complain?!
by the way
his uai was 95.05 .. missed off by 0.05 .. but still, his marks are so much better than mine
troll account or not, this is a good school mate and i know its not BS
is there anything to do?
But does the university only look at these once all the places are taken by people above the cutoff? If so, does that meant they set the cutoff with the intention to leave a gap for people with these other selection criteria?MoonlightSonata said:Once again, for the people who cannot read: the university is only looking at subject results for English and maths if you do not meet the cut-off requirement. It is not a general filter. Anyone who actually makes the cut-off requirement will get in.
You don't seem to understand that the cut-off is not a legitimate cut-off as defined by UAC:MoonlightSonata said:Once again, for the people who cannot read: the university is only looking at subject results for English and maths if you do not meet the cut-off requirement. It is not a general filter. Anyone who actually makes the cut-off requirement will get in.
This means that while the cut-off may represent the UAI necessary for guaranteed entry into the course, the actual cut-off is arbitrary in nature as people with significantly lower UAIs have been admitted entry. If a legitimate cut-off had been used, it probably would have been around 93 like last year, so the people who got between 93 and 95.1 missed entry into the course.UAC Guide 2007 said:The cut-offs indicate the lowest UAI accepted for entry into the course - they do not represent the average ability of the students accepted for the course.
Man, I missed out when the cutoff was 95. I just transfered the next year, it's not a big deal. I could have studied at Usyd, UTS or Macquarie. Of the people that 'missed out', if it was close they can go to USYD, if it was a bit off they can go to UTS, and if it was further they can go to Macquarie. Or they can do a B Ec and transfer. I did a B Ec for a year and changed to a B Com. It is seriously not a big deal.dan_viper88 said:I believe this system is so unfare and overated, when other people that i know who had UAI'S of 89-92 last year had to do a B Economics and they couldnt get in to B Commerce and the UAI was around 93.00 in 2006!
Sorry thats the dumbest thing I have heard. English and maths are like the building blocks of commerce in Australia. If it was Germany we would have German and maths.mimiian said:Once again, for the people who cannot read: English and maths results are not good indicators to show whether a person is suitable for commerce or not. If UNSW accept ppl with UAI below its official cutoff purely on the basis of English and maths result, then perhaps it should lower its UAI and find a better way to beat USyd, or perhaps the nerds at UNSW can communciate with HSC students and tell them their selection criterion BEFORE the release date.
I dont think many people who choose those subjects have com in mind.,Conspirocy said:How does a uai of 97 with fuck i dont know pdhpe, biology, design and technology, modern history, advanced english prepare you for commerce at unsw?