uni in america (3 Viewers)

[Survivor39]

On the other if she goes to somewhere like La Trobe (no offence to anyone that goes there..)..the admission officer would be like.."where the f*ck is that?" if the admin officer can't even put ur uni on the map then what do you think your chances are of getting into..lets say Harvard or Yale?

But surely her undergrad marks, extracurricular activities and GRE scores would be more important in the selection process than the name of her undergrad university.

 

[camomile.tea]

If you're considering doing a degree like medicine, law or something specialised like that it would take quite a while to finish if you were to go to an American university. You'd have to go through college for an undergrad liberal arts degree AND go to postgraduate school. And the cost of that all adds up.

If you want the 'prestige' you could still do an undergraduate course in Australia and apply for a postgraduate degree at an Ivy League school.

Or if you want to keep your options open, apply for both at the year 12 and decide after you get your offers. It might be useful to apply to some colleges through the 'early action' scheme, which means you apply in October and they can give you an offer by mid December (the only colleges that I know with this scheme are Yale and Standford). If you apply by 'early decision' they would give you an early offer too but it's legally binding that you have to attend their college (Harvard and Princeton no longer offer this). Otherwise, you'd have to wait around until April for the regular round offers and by then many of your friends would already be starting university.

 

[Ezzdawg]

But surely her undergrad marks, extracurricular activities and GRE scores would be more important in the selection process than the name of her undergrad university.

I'm sure the name of her undergrad university isn't the sole selection criteria.

But keep in mind..brand names and prestige are VERY important in America...in America when they get into Uni they don't tell people "oh I got into Medicine!" or "oh I got into Law!" no noo nooooo

Instead, people brag about what UNI they got into..like "YES I GOT INTO HARVARD!!" that kind of thing...

surely the selection criteria involve others such as leadership, extra curricular activities, and other marks..but you can't deny the power of the brand names..

 

[Tulipa]

I'm sure the name of her undergrad university isn't the sole selection criteria.

But keep in mind..brand names and prestige are VERY important in America...in America when they get into Uni they don't tell people "oh I got into Medicine!" or "oh I got into Law!" no noo nooooo

Instead, people brag about what UNI they got into..like "YES I GOT INTO HARVARD!!" that kind of thing...

surely the selection criteria involve others such as leadership, extra curricular activities, and other marks..but you can't deny the power of the brand names..

But that's because they don't get into law or med - they do "pre-med" as a major for example but they can't brag about that until they actually start at the university.

Also, the Ivy League universities are only a selection and their "name" doesn't carry as much weight as it perhaps used to.

How do you know all of this by the way? Are you from the States, do you know anyone going to an American college, did you apply yourself? It just seems that you're making an awful lot of assumptions based on stereotypes.

 

[Ezzdawg]

that's because medicine and law are only offered in grad schools.

I'm just saying people there don't apply to the courses they want to do...they apply to the college they want to go..hence the brand names are important.

No matter what major you pick, if you got into Harvard it's gonna sound better than somebody who graduated from law in a no name school.

I know this because I've got cousins who are currently in college in the States and I did apply myself except I can no longer afford to go.

 

[Tulipa]

that's because medicine and law are only offered in grad schools.

No shit.

I'm just saying people there don't apply to the courses they want to do...they apply to the college they want to go..hence the brand names are important.

No matter what major you pick, if you got into Harvard it's gonna sound better than somebody who graduated from law in a no name school.

You're making some big generalisations there. If you fucked around at Harvard and ended up with a 2.0 GPA next to someone who graduated top of their class, the name is only going to do so much. Where you go is important for a variety of reasons - location, facilities, programs, cost, etc. It's not just the name.

Also, one of my cousins is at St. Louis university because of their aviation program. Some schools offer some majors, some don't. The Ivy's are not the be all and end all of "brand" names. An English degree from Northwestern in Chicago is going to go just as far as one from Columbia. Another cousin went to the University of Minnesota and is now working at Microsoft.

I know this because I've got cousins who are currently in college in the States and I did apply myself except I can no longer afford to go.

And what colleges are they at? Names are, to a degree, important but like I said, they aren't the only thing that matters, not by a long shot.

 

[Ezzdawg]

No shit.



You're making some big generalisations there. If you fucked around at Harvard and ended up with a 2.0 GPA next to someone who graduated top of their class, the name is only going to do so much. Where you go is important for a variety of reasons - location, facilities, programs, cost, etc. It's not just the name.

Also, one of my cousins is at St. Louis university because of their aviation program. Some schools offer some majors, some don't. The Ivy's are not the be all and end all of "brand" names. An English degree from Northwestern in Chicago is going to go just as far as one from Columbia. Another cousin went to the University of Minnesota and is now working at Microsoft.



And what colleges are they at? Names are, to a degree, important but like I said, they aren't the only thing that matters, not by a long shot.

I'm not saying the Ivy League schools are the only good schools in the country, I am aware that there are othe very very good schools outside the Ivy League like MIT, Duke, USC, UC Berkeley, Stanford and the list goes on..

I'm talking about NO NAME schools! something like Arkansas Community College or some shit like that

I NEVER said that the name is the only thing that matters.

AND This is not even what I was arguing about..

I was saying that if that girl wants to get into a well known school in the States..Ivy League or not..it'd help her chances to go to a good school here..I not saying that graduates from U Minnesota isn't gonna go far :S

I'm just saying that in America, brand names are more important than it is here.

 

[Templar]

The difference is that there are distinctly different tiers of tertiary education in the US, from community colleges to universities. It's equivalent of comparing TAFE or private colleges here (eg Bedford College) with actual universities.

A uni medallist from UWS (or any uni in Australia for that matter) should not face any more difficulty applying overseas than any other uni medallist with the same score here. The name of the uni does not matter.

 

[Nasonex]

Ivy League universities (Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Princeton, Cornell etc) cost 50k per year on average

 

[jenecis]

The assumption here is that the Americans actually know about the universities here in Australia. And if they do, will they know enough to give a damn about the university you went to? A surprisingly signficant proportion of Americans don't know who John Howard is...

 

[iamsickofyear12]

A surprisingly signficant proportion of Americans don't know who John Howard is...

A surprisingly significant proportion of Americans don't know anything about anywhere that isn't America.

 

[gcspsp]

I would love to go to MIT!

But I fear I'm not smart enough

 

[creamnchocolat_]

oh yeah.. also to get in berkeley, MIT, stanford they require you to do all 3 sciences. plus few years of foreign language for some unis. for stanford its 4 years. berkeley - 3 years.

Do you know if it has to be 3 or 4 straight years of language. For example would studying French in yr 8 then again in yr 11 and 12 count?

 

[melodic_gal]

is anyone planning on going to uni in america or is going to uni in america?

if so, what uni and how hard was it to get in? what degree are you doing?
whats the applic process like?

thx

I don't know why you would consider going to America for university, not to be discouraged for going for what you want to do . But there are pretty good universities in Australia and not necessarily you have to stay in one place but you have choices of other states university in Australia.

If it was me coming fresh straight from HSC and High School I would try it here in Australia gain experience studying your degree in a university along the way if you feel you still want to then go for it. plus you can financial help like HECS etc even if you don't make it to where you want it there is opinions like TAFE.

 

[MissMadiD]

Ivy League universities (Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Princeton, Cornell etc) cost 50k per year on average

Is that USD or AUD?

Im very confused about payments and pricing of the US unis

 

[brighter]

Ivy League universities (Harvard, Yale, Columbia, Princeton, Cornell etc) cost 50k per year on average

True but most people (who are unable to pay full fee) get a free (or near-free) ride if they get accepted into Harvard, Yale, Princeton or Dartmouth. My cousin studies at Yale and the school even paid for her airfare and a sleek MacBook. *jealous*

 

[Uncle]

I'm not sure about transferring to MIT (Men In Tights).

 

[leisl1990]

I think you have to sit SAT/ACT in order to get into undergraduate courses in american unis.
Yea, Americans are generally arrogant.
I think they accept UAI results in Britain. I wouldnt say all, but at least the majority of British unis do including Cambridge and Oxford, but of course you need to attend interviews or sit the exams they set for you.

 

[spence]

I think you have to sit SAT/ACT in order to get into undergraduate courses in american unis.
Yea, Americans are generally arrogant.
I think they accept UAI results in Britain. I wouldnt say all, but at least the majority of British unis do including Cambridge and Oxford, but of course you need to attend interviews or sit the exams they set for you.

No. Have you been to America?

 

[Suic1de]

Isn't America the world in their eyes?