Rorix said:
I'm not rigid in my thinking. It's that your thinking is dumb, illogical and wrong. Perhaps you're right, I'm not flexible enough to hold something false as true. You propose that somehow if the Union was abolished, then all the "EVIL HISTORY OF GEORGE BUSH", all the "BOOKS NOT BOMBS", all the "CAN THE US BE BEATEN IN IRAQ" etc. lectures would cease, every single politically left organisation (e.g. Greens, the multitude of labor groups) would cease and furthermore YOU ASSUME THAT PEOPLE NEED THESE ORGANISATIONS TO HOLD THESE POLITICAL BELIEFS.
AAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHhAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You're the funniest man alive. Where did I propose that all evil will stop because the organisation will cease to exist? I am saying unions are primarily consistant of labor members. Just look at the greens vs liberals vs alp/labor club sign up rates in each uni's socities.
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I challenge you to provide any reasoning for the statement that just being a member of the University of Sydney Union (as I am) makes me in ANY WAY more inclined to be left wing than right wing. Any proof at all. Any psychological theory. ANYTHING. Anything but a stupid assertion of fact.
MELBOURNE -- Student union elections were held recently at Melbourne University. Around 20% of the student population voted. Left Focus, a broad coalition of left-wing activists, won all office bearer positions for the third year running.
Everyone at usyd is a member of sydney union. Also the union is still a union. The way it is set up, the things it promotes, the activities it funds is primarily left wing, as the right wing does not seem to be that proactive.
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WOW SO IF IT WAS DISCUSSED IN A FIRST YEAR POLITICAL ECONOMY CLASS IT MUST BE RIGHT, ESPECIALLY IF TWO CONSERVATIVES AGREED IT WAS TRUE.
Yes, I believe that is a very legitimate point that was made. Look at what I said above. I'm not saying it MUST be true. Come on, one can't say that there is ABSOLUTELY no way that the liberals (who are very intelligent) didn't think that this would help reduce left wing and labor promotion in unis. As if in all the factors they looked at (the pros and cons) this wasn't one of them.
Your argument from authority is flawed because a) there is no authority and b) even if there was, it wouldn't prove your point.
dont understand what you mean by this or which part youre refering to
NOTE THAT YOU HAVE COMPLETELY IGNORED MY ARGUMENT, THAT THE BILL IS CONGRUENT WITH THE PHILOSOPHY ON WHICH THE PARTY IS FOUNDED AND NAMED, that being, LIBERALISM.
Haha, liberalism. How far they have strayed from this concept. From my understanding liberalism would be left wing. Now the two arent associated. I was wearing a "fuck off liberal scum tshirt" to a jewish party, all of whom were liberal supporters (i like to inspire debate, especially from rich kids who get told what to think by their parents). People asked me if that was directed at left wingers or liberal party supporters. Ah, the great divide.
You somehow think that a vague assertion that I must be 'too rigid in my thinking' is sufficient to counteract every factual hole I've managed to drive a truck through in your flimsy facade of an argument.
Repeating what i said above: Come on, one can't say that there is ABSOLUTELY no way that the liberals (who are very intelligent) didn't think that this would help reduce left wing and labor promotion in unis. As if in all the factors they looked at (the pros and cons) this wasn't one of them.
And you couldn't do this if it was voluntary?
AH HA!
The key underlying reason for your argument, the way you feel the way you do:
That you seriously believe that it is preferrental to FORCE SOMEONE TO DO SOMETHING rather than GIVE THEM THE CHOICE. I don't want to play amatuer psychologist here, but I suspect this belief is rooted in your deep seated insecurities and intense fear of social rejection on an evolutionary psychology level - you wish to have the choice removed from your life so you can never do something which would risk social rejection.
AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!! I really enjoyed this. I really did. I literally laughed which is rare. I am very much pro-choice. But being forced to do something, be it achieve a high hsc by my parents etc is my way of getting things done. I am far too lazy to do something regularly. Social rejection? If you meet me (which i wouldnt mind for arguing in person) you would know how little i care about social rejection. I embarass myself at any given opportunity and really couldn't care what people think. unless it was a very very attractive girl.
Obviously you're going to ignore all the points I made in this post and simply respond to my little bit of psychology at the end unless I said this here, so here it is.
I actually read the psychology part last.
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Btw, i really am enjoying this (albeit heated) debate. Are you a debater?
