War with Iran close, and US forces likely already on the ground- USAF Colonel (ret.) (2 Viewers)

[loquasagacious]

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IMO the images are fine UNTIL you get to those showing soldiers threatening prisoners. Furthermore the army will be against posting photos because for obvious reasons they are a security breach.

I'm with alex/iron. Iran will not be invaded by the US. They don't have the rescources. You may remember that conscription was/is being tossed around just to meet Iraq deployment needs.

Also the last thing the US wants is to be rebuilding both iran and iraq, aside from the expense involved it exponentially increases the threat of a shi'ite super-state emerging from the rubble of the two countries. This would destabilise the entire region, and most likely bring down the saudi, syrian and lebanese governments/states merely by its presence.

 

[HotShot]

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Is nt it ironic that he have to go all the way to New York City, the American Symbol of Capitalism and democracy where all American values are represented to preach his oxymoronic values of democracy, equality, peace which are all absent in Iran under his rule!

Oh yeah america is the ideal 'democratic'.

Who, in fact, armed Saddam with these weapons? What was the reaction of those who now claim to fight against WMDs regarding the use of chemical weapons back then?

AT least iranians dont lie.

 

[HotShot]

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britain have the worst army.. even worse than the shithole ethopian army. i dont how u can compare israel to britain

The last time Britain fought war alone was I believe, Falkland war in 1982 against Argentina. Amamzing how Britain can successfully and completely defeated one of the most powerful country in South America 13000 kms away from home relying only on its Naval and Air power. Its army may not be as good as that of Israel but its navy and airforce and various special forces units are still recognised as among the best.

Argentina were a mighty foe :rofl:
Argentina was having a fight with Chile just a few years before the war. so they wwere limited in militaric options.

typical pommies: wouldnt belive how many tat happened

The first landings of SAS troops took place on 21 April, but the weather was so bad that their landings and others made the next day were all withdrawn after several helicopters crashed in fog on Fortuna Glacier.

i mean the argentinians were never really a match for the poms, and the poms made a mess of it.

 

[banco55]

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Argentina were a mighty foe :rofl:
Argentina was having a fight with Chile just a few years before the war. so they wwere limited in militaric options.

typical pommies: wouldnt belive how many tat happened


i mean the argentinians were never really a match for the poms, and the poms made a mess of it.

The british fought an enemy that outnumbered them thousands of miles from home and the british didn't have any real technological edge over the argentinians. It was and is regarded by military historians as a surprising victory.

The british have one of the most competent armies in the world and have probably the best post world war II record of any army. The Arabs/Iranians on the other hand are famously incompetent when it comes to conventional warfare. Whole books have been devoted to trying to discern exactly why they are so incompetent.

 

[HotShot]

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The british fought an enemy that outnumbered them thousands of miles from home and the british didn't have any real technological edge over the argentinians. It was and is regarded by military historians as a surprising victory.

The british have one of the most competent armies in the world and have probably the best post world war II record of any army. The Arabs/Iranians on the other hand are famously incompetent when it comes to conventional warfare. Whole books have been devoted to trying to discern exactly why they are so incompetent.

dude,

The Argentine military knew they were hardly a match for their British counterparts

ARgentina had no chance against Britain. Number dont say anything, most of argentina military was left at all following their recent war with Chile. On the other hand Britain were in general a lot more experienced and had available to them better technology. For gods sake the brits had submarines...

Consequently, a significant part of Argentina's limited forces and equipment were kept on the mainland, as Argentina's military strategists feared that Chile would take advantage of the Falklands Crisis and attempt to seize a portion of the Patagonia region.

Brits were stupid to undersestimate air to surface missiles.
British military history is ridiculous and at present its one of the worst military out here. Israel by far is better.

 

[Aryanbeauty]

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Argentina and Chile never fought a war

They would not have invaded Falklands had they known the strength of British Forces. They genuinely believe they can win against britain which is 8000 miles away.

The Argentine military knew they were hardly a match for their British counterparts

If they knew that they would have never gone to war which means certain defeat by British and the downfall of military rule in Argentina. Saying they are trying to end their own military rule by going to war is just absurd.

 

[Aryanbeauty]

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Oh yeah america is the ideal 'democratic'.


AT least iranians dont lie.

yes American democracy is a billion times preferable to the Iranian democracy. That is why hundreds of thousands of iranians and arabs left their country to live in USA DESPITE all the hatred and atacks against people from muslim countries, USA is the No 1 destinations for immigrants including immigrants from Muslim Countries.

USA armed Iraq and Iran during the Iran-iraq war, so does USSR, France, China and Britain.

 

[Comrade nathan]

That's not entirely correct, the main aspects of the anti-americanism happened when they wiped out most of the left in Iran during the Cultural Revolution

The left were anti-American. Regardless of what politics people thought they were at them time, removing the Shah was an anti-american move.

 

[HotShot]

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Argentina and Chile never fought a war

They would not have invaded Falklands had they known the strength of British Forces. They genuinely believe they can win against britain which is 8000 miles away.


If they knew that they would have never gone to war which means certain defeat by British and the downfall of military rule in Argentina. Saying they are trying to end their own military rule by going to war is just absurd.

http://web.mit.edu/cascon/cases/case_car.html - it wasnt war, but there was tension in the region. I meant close to war.

Also, Argentina did not techincally go to war, war was never declared by either side.

 

[angmor]

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wait wait. you're telling me that idiot is trying to HOST THREE WARS AT ONCE? (afghanistan, iraq and iran?) .
GG NOOB RM

 

[Aryanbeauty]

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wait wait. you're telling me that idiot is trying to HOST THREE WARS AT ONCE? (afghanistan, iraq and iran?) .
GG NOOB RM

Why not? US fought wars on 3 fronts during the 2nd ww in North Africa, In Europe and in Asia-Pacific all of them much stronger than Iran-iraq-Afghanistan.

 

[HotShot]

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Why not? US fought wars on 3 fronts during the 2nd ww in North Africa, In Europe and in Asia-Pacific all of them much stronger than Iran-iraq-Afghanistan.

with a lot of help from britain and lot of other countries. like Australia, India, Canada numerous that colonies of Britain. Against Germany who little or very few colonies but they were cut off anyway and Japan was basically lone warrior.

Russia was crucial for the allies victory they had the numbers.

 

[littlewing69]

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Why not? US fought wars on 3 fronts during the 2nd ww in North Africa, In Europe and in Asia-Pacific all of them much stronger than Iran-iraq-Afghanistan.

Not simultaneously. Africa was wrapped up before Europe got crazy, IIRC.

 

[Aryanbeauty]

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the main problem is not how US will defeat Iran, the real problem is how to avoid civil war or fighting between muslims themselves. Just look at Iraq, the invasion and dethroning of Saddam was a cakewalk, the main problem is they cannot stop iraqis from killing each other. The scenario in iran will be fighting between moderate and extremist and shia and arabs as in Iraq.

 

[HotShot]

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the main problem is not how US will defeat Iran, the real problem is how to avoid civil war or fighting between muslims themselves. Just look at Iraq, the invasion and dethroning of Saddam was a cakewalk, the main problem is they cannot stop iraqis from killing each other. The scenario in iran will be fighting between moderate and extremist and shia and arabs as in Iraq.

the only reason they are killing themselves, is because of the americans. Especially the american soldiers who treat iraqis inhuman ways. The iraqis have not trust in the americans. If america had done the right thing there wouldnt be any civil war in the first place.

people dont kill for no reason buddy. A lot of people want america out of there, others want them to say and then are people in the middle that dont care. Then there are americans who are giving the iraqis more reasons to hate them. From the beginning of the war till now, it has been filled with controversy. With the wheat bribe affair to the treatment of prisoners and the dominance of terrorism in the region.

There is no doubt, that america have not done their job. They have not captured Osama bin Laden, they have not made the world a safer place. They are know walking tight line with Iran, and also Israel seems to be adding to these problems.

Then there are these organisation that keep coming with these figure that the media grabs hold of which never seems to be true. For example there was lot of hype over Palestine not able to survive due to lack of aid, bbut I the situation hasnt detoriated its maybe little not as much as these organisations and media have claimed.

On top of all that, you have these idiots danish freaks who draw cartoons of muhammed, giving a whole lot of oppurtinity for extremists to try and gain support to hate the western world. And now recently the pope has done a similar thing. IT maybe freedom of speech it maybe democratic whatever, but in the end it does no favours to anyone and instead jeopardises worldwide problems.

And then Darell Hair thinks he needs to be more popular and claims that the Pakistani cricket team are a bunch of cheats. And then send a private letter that leaked out offering to resign for some of 500k. Then today Bush tries to blackmail Musharraf, to join his campaign against 'terror' -more like nnothing.

Dont forget war the lebanon invasion by Israel. They did a lot of questionable things and at the time the yfailed to realise it was mistake and when its all over when the damage has been done, when its pointless they claim to realise their mistakes. These mistakes were evident - the un station bombing, the bombing on innocent people and the use of cluster bombs.

now I ask you specifically aryanbeauty (since u luv America and Israel)- go back to before the Septemeber 11 and tell me compared to back then is the world a safer place now? You may claim that they captured a whole of terrorists, but the fact is since then the number of terrorists could have doubled or tripled in numbers.

Finally another question do you believe that america has a legitimate reason to go to war with Iran, followin the Iran president's address to the UN? Although Iran maybe supporting Hamas, America supports the use inhuman methods for interrogation?

 

[banco55]

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the only reason they are killing themselves, is because of the americans. Especially the american soldiers who treat iraqis inhuman ways. The iraqis have not trust in the americans. If america had done the right thing there wouldnt be any civil war in the first place.

LOL get real. These savages have been fighting each other over the sunni/shiite rubbish for centuries. The sunnis (as the group favoured by the ottomans) spent much of their time during the ottoman empire supressing shiite rebellions. I seem to recall Saddam had a few problems with the kurdish and shiite communities during his era as well.

 

[HotShot]

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LOL get real. These savages have been fighting each other over the sunni/shiite rubbish for centuries. The sunnis (as the group favoured by the ottomans) spent much of their time during the ottoman empire supressing shiite rebellions. I seem to recall Saddam had a few problems with the kurdish and shiite communities during his era as well.

yeah was it as bad as today? or in the last few years? In that case everyone has been fighting every since humans have existed. I am saying it has got worse since Americas invovlement.

 

[ElendilPeredhil]

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Why are we even discussing troops? All they need to do is bomb the facilities, and cop the flak.

If Iran has any brains, and its typical lack of disrepect for humanity it will follow Iraq's example and put women and children in all of their nuclear/military facilities so that if the US bombs them a shitstorm will erupt.

lack of disrespect? So if Iran has respect for humanity it will put women and children in their nuclear/military facilities?

Yes bomb another country for no particular reason...that will sit well with American voters...I think the Republicans wish to stay in power, so it would be absymally foolish to carpet bomb Iran. America is not strong enough to handle three wars with no help from her allies...and mass genocide as you are advocating is not going to win her help from her allies.

Someone needs to assasinate the President before its too late.

 

[bshoc]

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Yes bomb another country for no particular reason...

Peddling nuclear techonology, sending IED technology to Iraq, supplying and commanding Hezbollah, conducting intelligence operations and training the Iraqi insurgency, promoting sectarian violence in the middle east, being oppressive assholes. They're making us bleed unecessarily and they will pay. Ofcourse it wont be carpet bombing striaght away, first we'll send in the B2's and F117's to knock out their anti-air capcity, then the B52's move in and do their job.

that will sit well with American voters...I think the Republicans wish to stay in power, so it would be absymally foolish to carpet bomb Iran.

Not really, there is a slight majority in America that will always vote avowedly Republican, its been that way since all the Dixiecrats (Southern Democrats) and "Reagan Democrats" went Republican for good. A Democrat will never again hold the office of president unless he's either right-moderate and a southerner (like Johnson or Clinton). Running people like Gore or Kerry is useless, they wont win.

Also the reason people vote Republican is becuase the Republicans are people who are proud of their country and have done a much better job of serving US intrests then the Dems ever could.

America is not strong enough to handle three wars with no help from her allies...and mass genocide as you are advocating is not going to win her help from her allies.

America is strong enough to take on the next 3 or 4 countries below the US combined and win, Iraq and Iran are nobody's. Only 150000 of the available 500000 troops are in Iraq, not even mentioning the 700000 reserves and guardsmen, or the fact that Israel will play a large part in tearing Iran to pieces. Also the US has quite a few allies, Israel, UK, and yep, us.

Someone needs to assasinate the President before its too late.

And which one of you pro-gun control pansies plans to do that?

 

[banco55]

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yeah was it as bad as today? or in the last few years? In that case everyone has been fighting every since humans have existed. I am saying it has got worse since Americas invovlement.

The obvious reason it has got worse is that Saddam isn't filling mass graves up with people who rebel against him. If the US started using Saddam/Assad type tactics they could probably gain a high level of control. For example they could surround sunni cities that have a high insurgent population and just level the entire city civilians and all with artillery or they could do what Saddam did in '91 and fill mass graves with military age men until the rebellion was under control.

One of the reasons the Middle East has so many authoritarian governments is that is the only way to keep the savages from formenting total anarchy. If you remove the secret police, army etc. they don't all vote and live together peacefully they start killing each other.