Who will you vote for? Australian political parties (2 Viewers)

[katie tully]

That made me lol . Maybe you had to see the context. Don't you think she is implying that women who are poor and don't have a partner (and therefore a double income) shouldn't get pregnant? Cos I don't think that's fair.

Yes, this is exactly what I mean.

Why do you think it's fair for a poor woman, without a partner, to be paid by her workplace so she can have a kid? This kid has to come from somewhere. If she is intentionally getting pregnant with some guy because she wants a kid, then she's a fuckhead and I can't condone that.

 

[badquinton304]

Australian Labor Party 1 year in and they have had to deal with a global economic crisis, they have handled it well. As for the Liberal Party all I have seen since the election is populist politics. I want both Nick Xenophon and Steven Fielding out of the senate, they are too indecisive.

 

[JaredR]

They've handled the financial crisis well because of good fiscal policy under the Howard years. Rudd is riding off on the good years of the previous government, had Australia still been in extreme debt as per the Keating years I don't think Rudd would have been able to afford that 10 billion dollar package!

 

[JaredR]

BECAUSE conservatives HERE right here in Australia, is not fucktards like the Republicans in the U.S. (they're christian nutcases) At least Howard wasn't a bible loving bitch like Palin was, or a war whore like McCain as to comparing to Turnbull. I love conservatives here, true conservatives lies in Australia, they manage the economy the best (the records proves it). Unlike Bush.........

I supported the McCain/Palin ticket.

 

[xeuyrawp]

that work places should be forced to pay a woman to have her child.

But it's not just that - it's that business about keeping the job open should she choose to return, etc.

 

[badquinton304]

BECAUSE conservatives HERE right here in Australia, is not fucktards like the Republicans in the U.S. (they're christian nutcases) At least Howard wasn't a bible loving bitch like Palin was, or a war whore like McCain as to comparing to Turnbull. I love conservatives here, true conservatives lies in Australia, they manage the economy the best (the records proves it). Unlike Bush.........

The commonly used term "conservative" refers to social policy. Even if you have observed a correlation between conservative politics and economic prosperity you still do not have a reasonable and logical causation.
The majority of the economic reforms in Australia came from the Hawke-Keating government, deregulation of financial markets, privatisation of the bleeding government assets, the floating of the dollar and the removal of tariffs. Hawke and Keating were not conservatives, yet they reformed the structure of the Australian economy which lead to the prosperity we see today.
Your argument is without rationality and for this reason you have failed, endless years of embarrassment shall proceed from you.

 

[Trefoil]

I supported the McCain/Palin ticket.

You're not doing yourself any favours, champ.

 

[chicky_pie]

The commonly used term "conservative" refers to social policy. Even if you have observed a correlation between conservative politics and economic prosperity you still do not have a reasonable and logical causation.
The majority of the economic reforms in Australia came from the Hawke-Keating government, deregulation of financial markets, privatisation of the bleeding government assets, the floating of the dollar and the removal of tariffs. Hawke and Keating were not conservatives, yet they reformed the structure of the Australian economy which lead to the prosperity we see today.
Your argument is without rationality and for this reason you have failed, endless years of embarrassment shall proceed from you.

Could you repost that in basic English? I have no idea what you're on about.

 

[katie tully]

But it's not just that - it's that business about keeping the job open should she choose to return, etc.

And the cost of replacing her with a casual or temporary staff member on top of paying for her full wage/half wage for whatever the negotiated amount of time is.
And then there is the whole 'well I want to come back, but only 3 days a week' etc.

 

[jb_nc]

NSW:
1. Greens.
2 - n-1. Every other party
n. Labor

 

[Lentern]

I love you.

There's a fair bit about that going round. I think your right about ageing into conservatism as well, although I pray that never consumes me.

When we're young and our parents look after us we're happy to look at the broader picture and be ivory tower critics: Socialists of the humanitarian brand.

But when we're older and we need to be the ones doing the looking after ultimately we want to keep more of our wage, we want to do our damnest to ensure criminals don't get to us and we want some stability, not social reform.

It does not apply to all ofcourse but it's a very common occurence.

 

[xeuyrawp]

And the cost of replacing her with a casual or temporary staff member on top of paying for her full wage/half wage for whatever the negotiated amount of time is.
And then there is the whole 'well I want to come back, but only 3 days a week' etc.

Which is fantastic for the replacement!

 

[Trefoil]

Paid maternity leave creates a disincentive for employers to hire women of a certain age.

[citation needed]

In NSW you don't have to number every box right?

So I can just do:

1. Greens
2. Liberal

Under-preferencing can often result in the very thing the Hare-Clarke proportional preferencing system is designed to prevent: a wasted vote. So it's best to fill out all preferences (or at least 3, which I thought was the minimum for a valid ballot anyway, but that was in ACT).

 

[katie tully]

No citation needed. I've seen it at the workplace I was at while pregnant. When they were advertising my position, they culled any applicants of child bearing age.

 

[jb_nc]

No citation needed. I've seen it at the workplace I was at while pregnant. When they were advertising my position, they culled any applicants of child bearing age.

Anecdotal evidence.

Citation needed.

 

[jb_nc]

I think its fair to say as a general rule employers respond highly to monetary incentives.

^{Citation Required}

 

[xeuyrawp]

The prospect of having to pay someone who is not doing any work is a pretty powerful monetary incentive.

And then hire someone in the mean time, whilst not promising them anything substantial because the paid leaver can return and demand their job, or part of it, back.

 

[Rockyroad]

i see what you mean, but i dont think its really logically sound, on closer inspection.

katie is saying that the woman shouldnt rely on external sources to prop her up while she has the child.

and even if we can justify that, the child's needs extend beyond the period of maternity leave.

I agree she shouldn't but I think she should be able to. I think she ought to have that right. It isn't what is the case, it is what I think should be the case.

 

[boris]

I agree she shouldn't but I think she should be able to. I think she ought to have that right. It isn't what is the case, it is what I think should be the case.

Why on earth is she entitled to that "right"?

 

[katie tully]

I agree she shouldn't but I think she should be able to. I think she ought to have that right. It isn't what is the case, it is what I think should be the case.

Contradiction alert.