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wikiwiki said:
The other thing is, do we really want people with a UAI of 55 or 50 in University?
NO, we don't.

Because it ruins the University for people who made an effort to get in, and makes it feel like an oversized, more expensive clone of TAFE.

I'd know from experience.

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VSU should never even have to have been brought in. Unions have a purpose, we maybe can't appreciate how just how important they were to the labourers of the past because we weren't there. But students are hardly working 14 hours/day in potentially deadly conditions.
 

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I wouldn't pay if you paid me to pay.

Edit: In fact, I've decided that what ever amount of money uni asks for voluntary fees next year, I'll donate the same amount to charity just to make a point; I bet homelessness and poverty kills more queers than VSU.
 
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I wouldn't pay if you paid me to pay.

Edit: In fact, I've decided that what ever amount of money uni asks for voluntary fees next year, I'll donate the same amount to charity just to make a point; I bet homelessness and poverty kills more queers than VSU.
You're a dickhead.
 
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You're a dickhead.

I fucking hate people like you.

"I know better than you what you should do with your own money

Go fuck yourself.
Because you're so not like that at all.
 

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Silver And Cold said:
But I mean, after reading everyone's arguments, i think that if so many people are against VSU, then they can continue to pay the union fees and I don't believe the unions can do too bad out of it.
That's exactly the point I've been shouting since February last year. Thanks for acknowledging it.
 
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There are foundations that help poor people and homeless people and everyone can support them if they wish. I find it extremely cool if that guy does. But students need help too and the services that the union provide are just as important as the homeless and poor people, so people that wanna support it, also can. My dickhead post was somewhat uncalled for, but his post, imho, was ridiculous. He wants to use charity to prove a point about VSU? That's kinda stupid.

Now, since i'm already writing a post. On the European front; Everyone over there has health insurance, everyone over there (and i'm talking Europe; Germany, France, Britain, Italy, Spain) gets treated if sick, in the best abilities of hospital, no matter what insurance they have. Of course there are differences, the chief of surgery will send his assistant if you're poor, but you get the same treatment. It's obligatory, noone is without health insurance. So EVERYONE in Europe, from Sweden down to Spain has enough money, rarely people die of sickness, everyone gets same treatment, everyone has stable insurance, everyone has the possibility of studying and everyone has a roof over their heads. Although Australia covers many of these things, it's way less about the people than Europe. So, imo, Europe is paradise, Australia is not bad, America is the worst, and Asia is just overpopulated.
 

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Silver And Cold said:
There are foundations that help poor people and homeless people and everyone can support them if they wish. I find it extremely cool if that guy does. But students need help too and the services that the union provide are just as important as the homeless and poor people, so people that wanna support it, also can.
100% (more or less) of money from charities goes towards helping the genuinely disadvataged. A small percetage of Union money is used to help the pseudo-disadvantaged.
Now, since i'm already writing a post. On the European front; Everyone over there has health insurance, everyone over there (and i'm talking Europe; Germany, France, Britain, Italy, Spain) gets treated if sick, in the best abilities of hospital, no matter what insurance they have. Of course there are differences, the chief of surgery will send his assistant if you're poor, but you get the same treatment. It's obligatory, noone is without health insurance. So EVERYONE in Europe, from Sweden down to Spain has enough money, rarely people die of sickness, everyone gets same treatment, everyone has stable insurance, everyone has the possibility of studying and everyone has a roof over their heads. Although Australia covers many of these things, it's way less about the people than Europe. So, imo, Europe is paradise, Australia is not bad, America is the worst, and Asia is just overpopulated.
Europe might be working now, but it will stagnate and fuck everyone up sooner or later.
 
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100% (more or less) of money from charities goes towards helping the genuinely disadvataged. A small percetage of Union money is used to help the pseudo-disadvantaged.
And which disadvantaged people would these be exactly? The guys in Western Sydney (an example) that get more Centrelink money per month than uni students get per year but sit on their asses. Or the ones living in housing commission houses that completely trash them on a daily basis, but other people, uni students (another example), who are working and studying but still can't afford to live anywhere close to Uni, and housing commission aren't willing to house (not anytime soon anyway). Those poor disadvantaged people. I feel for them. They have somewhere to live and they get money and they fucking abuse the system. Disadvantaged people don't exist in this country. Homeless people don't even really exist, sorry, but anyone that lives on the street has made the choice to do so. Okay there are those with mental problems that have no idea what's going on around them and who have noone, so they're disadvantaged. I'm willing to agree on that point there. But that's the only one.


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Europe might be working now, but it will stagnate and fuck everyone up sooner or later.
No, Europe doesn't stagnate. Europe has a system that is secure for another 20 years and during this time they can work on making it better and they will, they're not stupid and are not gonna sit on their asses waiting for a crash. They're moving and moving pretty fast. Seriously, Europe has the most stable system at the moment, right? So if they should stagnate and die? oh my god, what will happen to the rest of the world? Asia economically seen is moving fast, very fast, but socially seen? They have nothing social and so sooner or later they will stumble over that factor. And until now, in the last 2'000 years Europe proved pretty much to be damn flexible and to be able to move fast, sometimes it goes slower and sometimes faster, but if Europe should go down, noone else will manage.
 

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I don't go to uni to support other uni students.

And, Europe is stuffed, for reasons beyond the scope of this thread. But you need only look at recent events in France to get a good idea where they're headed.

Edit: Wait, you actually claimed there are no disadvantaged people in this country, and then, that uni students are more disadvantaged than homeless people??
 
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France doesn't reflect Europe, France has problems at the moment because social factors were neglected but that happens in every country that at some point the youth goes all rebel, they will calm and move and improve. France is on the tv because young people burn cars.

And I never claimed that they were more disadvantaged, my point was to say that I believe they are more or less the same and disadvantaged people don't exist in this country.
 

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where are the priorities of the government? i choose to pay my union fees but i DID NOT choose to go to war in iraq, i DID NOT choose to have my bonuses cut on weekends, i DID NOT choose to introduce the IR laws and i DO NOT choose to deal with refugees in the way the government does. that was FORCED on me. if the government is going to force something on the people make it bennefit the people, not the fat cats. thats the purpose of capitalism, GAIN. our unions bennefit us, how do the new IR laws bennefit me? or the war in iraq? do you see petrol prices going down? if you are really so shallow that you are only concerned with your dollar then you DESERVE to have John Howard as your Prime Minister. im voting Labor, i hate Kim, but it is VERY important to get rid of Howard, that is a choice i am willing to make.
 

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Silver And Cold said:
France doesn't reflect Europe, France has problems at the moment because social factors were neglected but that happens in every country that at some point the youth goes all rebel, they will calm and move and improve. France is on the tv because young people burn cars.

And I never claimed that they were more disadvantaged, my point was to say that I believe they are more or less the same and disadvantaged people don't exist in this country.
in France they introduced laws similar to the IR laws we got here, so the people started protesting and protesting hard! problems in France and Europe? youre right, theyre all turning capitalist in the face of globalisation.
 

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Mongke said:
where are the priorities of the government? i choose to pay my union fees but i DID NOT choose to go to war in iraq, i DID NOT choose to have my bonuses cut on weekends, i DID NOT choose to introduce the IR laws and i DO NOT choose to deal with refugees in the way the government does. that was FORCED on me. if the government is going to force something on the people make it bennefit the people, not the fat cats. thats the purpose of capitalism, GAIN. our unions bennefit us, how do the new IR laws bennefit me? or the war in iraq? do you see petrol prices going down? if you are really so shallow that you are only concerned with your dollar then you DESERVE to have John Howard as your Prime Minister. im voting Labor, i hate Kim, but it is VERY important to get rid of Howard, that is a choice i am willing to make.
ffs take your socialist ranting elsewhere
 

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Mongke said:
in France they introduced laws similar to the IR laws we got here, so the people started protesting and protesting hard! problems in France and Europe? youre right, theyre all turning capitalist in the face of globalisation.
No, they attempted to, and the piss weak government caved into violent mobs. Similarly, as soon as we do so, we're also stuffed.
 
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No, they attempted to, and the piss weak government caved into violent mobs. Similarly, as soon as we do so, we're also stuffed.
Actually, the mob didn't like the IR laws (well, French equivalent to ours), the mob started to mess everything up, what was the government supposed to do? Let them destroy France? They had no chance, it's not about being weak, it's about trying to do something different that the mob can live with that is better than what they initially came up with and that won't upset half of France. The majority will always win, it has nothing to do with weakness of government, it has to do with the stupidity of people.
 

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Where's waf when I need him?

Mongke said:
I choose to pay my union fees but i DID NOT choose to go to war in iraq, i DID NOT choose to have my bonuses cut on weekends, i DID NOT choose to introduce the IR laws and i DO NOT choose to deal with refugees in the way the government does. that was FORCED on me. if the government is going to force something on the people make it bennefit the people, not the fat cats. thats the purpose of capitalism, GAIN. our unions bennefit us, how do the new IR laws bennefit me? or the war in iraq? do you see petrol prices going down? if you are really so shallow that you are only concerned with your dollar then you DESERVE to have John Howard as your Prime Minister. im voting Labor, i hate Kim, but it is VERY important to get rid of Howard, that is a choice i am willing to make.
The IR laws allow you more flexible employment.
Petrol prices are a result of supply and demand. Seeing as petrol prices aren't going down maybe you could get the rest of the Left to abandon the ridiculous 'war for oil' crap.

Clearly you haven't chosen anything yet seeing as you wouldn't have voted at the last election.
 

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