is smoking weed bad? (2 Viewers)

[blakegman]

I'm not that surprised. Weed = lung cancer. Ecstasy = elevated heart rate, bad come down, grinding teeth.

Yeah but i've seen kids who have taken too much ecstasy and its not hard to imagine if they had taken a little more they theyd be in some serious trouble.

But then i guess you also have to take into account a lot of weed users smoke it pretty regularly, where most ecstasy users would be doing it weekly at most.

 

[Graney]

There is almost certainly no link between cannabis and lung cancer.

They measured harm on nine different factors including "It assesses drugs on the harm they do to the individual, to society and whether or not they induce dependence."

Ecstasy doesn't induce dependence in the same way weed may, usually only weekend casual use so has little social impact, not to mention users are rarely violent or destructive, significant negative individual health impacts are rare. Seems pretty safe.

 

[boris]

NO, NO, NO.

Fucking idiots! You cannot use 'xtc and weed' and 'seems pretty safe' in the same fucking sentence. I don't care that you're a gronk and that you're ignorant to the various health, economic and social detriments drugs cause. INGESTING ANYTHING THAT CHANGES THE CHEMICAL BALANCES IN YOUR BRAIN IS NOT FUCKING SAFE, regardless of how petty you think the risks or impacts involved are.

 

[stazi]

There is almost certainly no link between cannabis and lung cancer.

They measured harm on nine different factors including "It assesses drugs on the harm they do to the individual, to society and whether or not they induce dependence."

Ecstasy doesn't induce dependence in the same way weed may, usually only weekend casual use so has little social impact, not to mention users are rarely violent or destructive, significant negative individual health impacts are rare. Seems pretty safe.

what do you do with cannabis? you smoke it. what does smoking a substance high in tar over a long period of time cause? lung cancer.

 

[+Po1ntDeXt3r+]

Nah, out of 20 measured substances, with 5 legal drugs for comparison, including alcohol and tobacco, they ranked cannabis 11th. Ecstasy was rated 18th.

"It is a real step towards evidence-based classification of drugs."

MOST HARMFUL DRUGS

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6474053.stm

Bingo thats the one lol.. i have no memory at lik 4am

about the link to lung cancer and weed.. its about 7:1 compared to smoking cigerettes if u smoke joints in a recent paper.. which i think was in science sumfing..

the lancet article was pointing out tat there was a need to ban alcohol, tobacco, solvents, akyl nitrates and khat.. in terms of public health arguments

 

[stazi]

NO, NO, NO.

Fucking idiots! You cannot use 'xtc and weed' and 'seems pretty safe' in the same fucking sentence. I don't care that you're a gronk and that you're ignorant to the various health, economic and social detriments drugs cause. INGESTING ANYTHING THAT CHANGES THE CHEMICAL BALANCES IN YOUR BRAIN IS NOT FUCKING SAFE, regardless of how petty you think the risks or impacts involved are.

...? so like food is unsafe?

People aren't saying that those drugs are safe. They're saying that they're relatively safe compared to other substances, and that responsible consumption of these substances is, again 'pretty safe'.

 

[boris]

what do you do with cannabis? you smoke it. what does smoking a substance high in tar over a long period of time cause? lung cancer.

Hahaha no stazi

Marijuana itself does not (as far as most studies are concerned) cause lung cancer. Infact the opposite.

Delta-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), inhibits EGF-induced growth and migration in epidermal growth factor receptor (EGFR) expressing non-small cell lung cancer cell lines.

But still, you're smoking something that causes a chemical imbalance in the brain, and it's also addictive and a gateway drug, so without lung cancer I'd still say it's shit

 

[boris]

...? so like food is unsafe?

People aren't saying that those drugs are safe. They're saying that they're relatively safe compared to other substances, and that responsible consumption of these substances is, again 'pretty safe'.

Read Graney's comment you fag.

Seems pretty safe.

There is no middle ground. It's either safe or it's not safe. You can't have 'pretty safe'. What does pretty safe even mean? That compared to shooting ice up your veins three times a day, pot is safe?

 

[Graney]

But the lancet said mdma was less harmfull

what do you do with cannabis? you smoke it. what does smoking a substance high in tar over a long period of time cause? lung cancer.

You're logic is sound, there are many carcinogens in cannabis smoke, but the large number of studies have consistently concluded there is no link between smoking cannabis and lung cancer.

 

[+Po1ntDeXt3r+]

But the lancet said mdma was less harmfull

You're logic is sound, there are many carcinogens in cannabis smoke, but the large number of studies have consistently concluded there is no link between smoking cannabis and lung cancer.

actualli there was research to show otherwise

and shisha pipes too.. (implies bongs)

they have higher rates of lung cancer.. smaller than the british doctors study on tobacco (circa 1960s) but still its pretty.... aww f*ck

 

[stazi]

Hahaha no stazi

Marijuana itself does not (as far as most studies are concerned) cause lung cancer. Infact the opposite.


But still, you're smoking something that causes a chemical imbalance in the brain, and it's also addictive and a gateway drug, so without lung cancer I'd still say it's shit

As pointdexter has said, you are inhaling unfiltered smoke. It's not about the drug, but the way that it's injested.

A gateway drug? Lol. Alcohol is also then a gateway drug. So is caffeine. Everyone heroin addict started out on caffeine and alcohol. Oh and I'm sure they've smoked cigarettes in their life too.

Did I try ecstasy because I had tried marijuana in the past? Cocaine? Speed? Many of the other substances I've consumed? No. Did I start with marijuana? Yes: because it is the most accessible 'illicit' drug out there. To conclude that it's a gateway drug because I tried it first is silly, imo.

As for addictive, I recall reading that alcohol requires far less usage for a person to become physically dependent on it. Marijuana is merely psychologically addictive, and users are generally able to stop consuming it quite easily. A good, but non-scientific 'case study' is the comedian who would get high every day, and then dropped it for 30 days, and was able to live his life without any strong withdrawal symptoms.

Similarly, many of my friends who were regular pot smokers stop very easily when they make lifestyle changes, such as enter full time work, etc.

 

[stazi]

But the lancet said mdma was less harmfull

You're logic is sound, there are many carcinogens in cannabis smoke, but the large number of studies have consistently concluded there is no link between smoking cannabis and lung cancer.

I think they're looking at MDMA in its pure form rather than ecstasy as you find it on the street which contains a lot of other drugs

There is no middle ground. It's either safe or it's not safe. You can't have 'pretty safe'. What does pretty safe even mean? That compared to shooting ice up your veins three times a day, pot is safe?

Would you say that walking across the road on a quiet street is pretty safe? You could still get hit by a car. Or by lightening, but it is pretty safe.

If you very occasionally smoke marijuana, then that is also pretty safe. Will you die from doing so? No. Will you become physically dependant from short term use? No. Will you become a drooling retard from short term use? No.

I don't see why there can't be a continuum. You can have a continuum with alcohol: 1-2 drinks on a night out is relatively safe. 20 drinks is not.

 

[boris]

Caffeine isn't a gate way drug you gronk. Nobody goes 'LOL LETS SIT IN OUR ROOM AND DRINK LOTS OF COFFEE. OH WAT, THE COFFEE ISNT WORKING ANYMORE? FUCK IT LET'S POP SOME XTC!'. No Staz.

Did I try ecstasy because I had tried marijuana in the past? Cocaine? Speed? Many of the other substances I've consumed? No. Did I start with marijuana? Yes: because it is the most accessible 'illicit' drug out there. To conclude that it's a gateway drug because I tried it first is silly, imo.

Go and read the substantial literature on marijuana as a gate way drug. It is will documented. What you just described is indicative of how most people progress from marijuana (which is usually the first drug of choice for teenagers because of price and availability) to heavier illicit drugs. It's documented. I don't give a shit if it didn't happen to you stas, that doesn't mean the link between marijuana and other drugs is a fallacy.

 

[boris]

I think they're looking at MDMA in its pure form rather than ecstasy as you find it on the street which contains a lot of other drugs


Would you say that walking across the road on a quiet street is pretty safe? You could still get hit by a car. Or by lightening, but it is pretty safe.

If you very occasionally smoke marijuana, then that is also pretty safe. Will you die from doing so? No. Will you become physically dependant from short term use? No. Will you become a drooling retard from short term use? No.

I don't see why there can't be a continuum. You can have a continuum with alcohol: 1-2 drinks on a night out is relatively safe. 20 drinks is not.

I'm not arguing anywhere that alcohol is more safe than marijuana. I'm not arguing that marijuana is dangerous. I'm just arguing that when it comes to drugs that alter the chemical balance in your brain, it's irresponsible to lable them as pretty safe

 

[Graney]

There is no middle ground. It's either safe or it's not safe. You can't have 'pretty safe'. What does pretty safe even mean? That compared to shooting ice up your veins three times a day, pot is safe?

Yes. I was talking relatively and you know it. Nothing is absolutely safe.

actualli there was research to show otherwise

There's always one contrary study. At most we can say the evidence is far from clear. It's a very bold claim to say it causes cancer.

 

[+Po1ntDeXt3r+]

Caffeine isn't a gate way drug you gronk. Nobody goes 'LOL LETS SIT IN OUR ROOM AND DRINK LOTS OF COFFEE. OH WAT, THE COFFEE ISNT WORKING ANYMORE? FUCK IT LET'S POP SOME XTC!'. No Staz.



Go and read the substantial literature on marijuana as a gate way drug. It is will documented. What you just described is indicative of how most people progress from marijuana (which is usually the first drug of choice for teenagers because of price and availability) to heavier illicit drugs. It's documented. I don't give a shit if it didn't happen to you stas, that doesn't mean the link between marijuana and other drugs is a fallacy.

i feel that its bad... like based on the evidence..

Link to mental illness = likely to be true
Link as Gateway drug = more than likely
Addiction = evidence is dicey .. smoking and alcohol is worse...

problem with the Lancet study is the level of THC and availability of things lik hydro and super skunk..

with MDMA..

link to depression = high
there is good evidence of nerve death... from ure seretonin nerves... aka.. ur happy nerves..

poor quality plagues the street version..

but those are my opinions

 

[+Po1ntDeXt3r+]

There's always one contrary study. At most we can say the evidence is far from clear. It's a very bold claim to say it causes cancer.

nah it was a pretty good study
link to schizophrenia was good too.. from a dutch paper

cried a lil.. then put down my study joint.. oh 2005 was a hard year

 

[boris]

i feel that its bad... like based on the evidence..

Link to mental illness = likely to be true
Link as Gateway drug = more than likely
Addiction = evidence is dicey .. smoking and alcohol is worse...

problem with the Lancet study is the level of THC and availability of things lik hydro and super skunk..

with MDMA..

link to depression = high
there is good evidence of nerve death... from ure seretonin nerves... aka.. ur happy nerves..

poor quality plagues the street version..

but those are my opinions

Precisely.

All we're hearing in this thread is anecdotal evidence.
'Oh well I tried pot and I'm fine. My friends do pot, and they're fine. Yeah I did some other drugs but they're in no way linked to my marijuana use'

The evidence exists to suggest that despite its reputation as a pussy cat drug, that the long and short term effects of marijuana use are not pretty safe

 

[boris]

nah it was a pretty good study
link to schizophrenia was good too.. from a dutch paper

cried a lil.. then put down my study joint.. oh 2005 was a hard year

I know right, I havent had a joint since 2004

 

[stazi]

Caffeine isn't a gate way drug you gronk. Nobody goes 'LOL LETS SIT IN OUR ROOM AND DRINK LOTS OF COFFEE. OH WAT, THE COFFEE ISNT WORKING ANYMORE? FUCK IT LET'S POP SOME XTC!'. No Staz.

Yet people consume caffeine at a greater level in order to be more awake, as resistance goes up. You haven't applied the answer to alcohol yet, either. Is alcohol then the ultimate gateway drug?

Go and read the substantial literature on marijuana as a gate way drug. It is will documented. What you just described is indicative of how most people progress from marijuana (which is usually the first drug of choice for teenagers because of price and availability) to heavier illicit drugs. It's documented. I don't give a shit if it didn't happen to you stas, that doesn't mean the link between marijuana and other drugs is a fallacy.

The documentation is available merely because a large percentage of the population has consumed marijuana. Out of the people who have consumed other drugs, obviously a large percentage would have consumed marijuana. This in no way proves that marijuana is indeed a gateway drug, unless of course your definition of a gateway drug is different to mine.

I'm not arguing anywhere that alcohol is more safe than marijuana. I'm not arguing that marijuana is dangerous. I'm just arguing that when it comes to drugs that alter the chemical balance in your brain, it's irresponsible to lable them as pretty safe

Again, why can't drugs be on a continuum?

Doesn't food alter the chemical imbalance of the brain?