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Slightly random thread. But is that line "Crazy people don't know they're crazy" true?
A lot of the people I know with schizophrenia or the like refuse to accept there is something wrong, or suggest that it isn't a mental disorder but rather something else.
 

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Slightly random thread. But is that line "Crazy people don't know they're crazy" true?
A lot of the people I know with schizophrenia or the like refuse to accept there is something wrong, or suggest that it isn't a mental disorder but rather something else.

I believe it is true :D

But they can be real scary i duno how u manage to even to have a normal conversation with them..
 

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It's possible in some psychotic disorders, but I'm pretty sure most of the time you'd know when you were suffering unnecessarily.

My granddad doesn't know much about the world around him any more, but he knows he has Alzheimer's.
 

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Also, psychiatry is a bullshit psuedo-science, most diagnoses aren't real.
 

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Interesting... how are they not real? What cases?


I guess mental illness also includes eating disorders, in which they are aware.
 

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Interesting... how are they not real? What cases?


I guess mental illness also includes eating disorders, in which they are aware.
Anti-psychiatry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I agree with most of the criticisms in this article, particular the issues about normality and illness judgements, psychiatric labelling, and the influence of the pharmaceutical industry.

I guess mental illness also includes eating disorders, in which they are aware.
Mental illness includes mania, depression, bipolar, agoraphobia, panic disorder, dyssomnia, parasomnia etc...

In these conditions, the person may not be aware of their specific diagnosis, but they'd usually be pretty aware that they're suffering from something other people aren't.
 

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Anti-psychiatry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I agree with most of the criticisms in this article, particular the issues about normality and illness judgements, psychiatric labelling, and the influence of the pharmaceutical industry.
That article was really good, thanks.
I like that idea... that each case is so individual that you cannot use a set of regulated norms to define their mental issue.
And that the entire idea of mental illness is defunct in itself.
Hmm.
 

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i love psychiatry some of the most interesting stuff

umm yeah in psychotic disorders .. one criteria can be detachment from reality... this assumes that the observer is sane lol :)

im pro-psychiatry but its just those ppl where it is working
 

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Slightly random thread. But is that line "Crazy people don't know they're crazy" true?
A lot of the people I know with schizophrenia or the like refuse to accept there is something wrong, or suggest that it isn't a mental disorder but rather something else.
i think it depends. some peole don't know that they have mental disorder, but some do recognise that they have.
 

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Slightly random thread. But is that line "Crazy people don't know they're crazy" true?
A lot of the people I know with schizophrenia or the like refuse to accept there is something wrong, or suggest that it isn't a mental disorder but rather something else.

Look up anosognosia and insight.

I think that the blatant neurological forms of anosognosia (read: a lack of knowledge 'a-gnosis' about one's own disease 'nosos') lends biological plausibility to the idea that some psychiatric disorders, for which the neurobiology is generally more poorly understood, could be characterised by a lack of self-insight.

The classic example from neurology is unilateral neglect in which a lesion of the (right) brain causes the individual to neglect the left side of the world, such that if you get them to copy or draw a picture it will end up like this. The neuroscientist Ramachandran did experiments with such patients in which a mirror on their right hand side (which they could see) showed the reflection of a pen which sat on their left (neglected) side. When asked to pick up the pen the patients would either bump their hands into the mirror or stand up and look behind the mirror. They simply could not comprehend that the pen could be on their left, presumably because the left side of space was no longer a part of their cognitive map of the world. In the same vein they could not understand their error/disease --> hence 'anosognosia'.

Also, there is a big difference between denying the presence of abnormal cognitive states (e.g. denying delusions, hallucinations and bizarre behaviors = a lack of insight) and denying a label like schizophrenia, though there is at least some overlap. You can disagree with the medicalised entity that is schizophrenia (e.g. by disagreeing with the stress-diathesis model, claims of genetic underpinning and the importance of disturbed dopaminergic signalling) but recognise that one has had hallucinations, for example. A lot of this depends on your philosophy of personal identity and the mind.
 

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That article was really good, thanks.
I like that idea... that each case is so individual that you cannot use a set of regulated norms to define their mental issue.
And that the entire idea of mental illness is defunct in itself.
Hmm.
Mcuh of this depends on how you define mental illness. For example, you could define in terms of statistical abnormality (in which case an individual with IQ 180 is mentally ill - which clearly is not satisfactory) or in terms of social norms (in which case a socialist might be 'sick' in the USA and healthy in the USSR). One might also choose a medical model in which an upset of 'normal' (defined how?) neurobiology is viewed as an illness.

An option which I am more open to is the 'ecological model' in which mental illness is a matter of mismatch between an individual and their context, e.g. if a person's experiences and/or actions are (a) statistically or physiologically abnormal AND (b) cause the individual (and others?) considerable discomfort. Since such an account requires a mismatch of sorts between individual and environment it acknowledges that certain mental states may well function fine in other settings and so is not an 'absolute' pathological entity, per se.

An interesting exercise is to think about how one migh define 'illness' in a medical sense (and you will often find that you run into many of the same problems).
 

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Slightly random thread. But is that line "Crazy people don't know they're crazy" true?
A lot of the people I know with schizophrenia or the like refuse to accept there is something wrong, or suggest that it isn't a mental disorder but rather something else.
They know they're nuts, it's just their other selves don't know it.
 

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I believe it is true :D

But they can be real scary i duno how u manage to even to have a normal conversation with them..
How naive was I not to suspect my mother had schizo. I found out recently she has schizophrenia. :( Since before i was born. :(

About the conversations, i don't get too many conversations lasting more than five minutes with my mother. :(
 

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