The legitimacy of depression as an illness. (3 Viewers)

[SnowFox]

John Cleese FTW.

 

[katie tully]

hmm, i believe depression does exists but some people do need to harden the fuck up. however, what i don't understand wtf anti depression drugs doctors prescribe do? make you happy? WTF

Uppers.

 

[Cookie182]

You cant control depression. What a stupid thing to think or say.

Read this then say depression isnt a chemical imbalance.

So what's the answer- tell yourself your life will never be any happier and operate from that belief frame? That'll certainly work...

Or just take psychotics and put a shield around it?

 

[katie tully]

So what's the answer- tell yourself your life will never be any happier and operate from that belief frame? That'll certainly work...

Or just take psychotics and put a shield around it?

Um ...

 

[SnowFox]

hmm, i believe depression does exists but some people do need to harden the fuck up. however, what i don't understand wtf anti depression drugs doctors prescribe do? make you happy? WTF

It lowers seratonin levels or ups other hormones.

 

[Cookie182]

SnowFox, I am very curious. I'm not completely denying the existence of clinical depression, but are you saying that it is not curable? And furthermore only manageable through drugs? I'm just wanting you to clarify your position here.

 

[SurferNerd]

I accept that there are times when it comes on through hormone imbalances (eg Pre-natal depression), but I think that overall we are becoming a 'depression culture'. It is the thing we all think we have these days as soon as we don't get what we want. I fundamentally think it is an identity level issue. Product of attachment/desire, especially in this consumerist war that television/film has placed us in.

The answer? Self-actualization, I think. After all, it's the highest level on Mazlow's hierachy.

Or we could just become the Brave New World and take soma everytime we feel down. I mean, isn't that the way society is heading? Look at American culture especially.

Edit: I mean to quote The Sopranos: "Whatever happened to the Gary Cooper's of the world? You know, the strong, silent type?" so much 'victim-thinking' these days, especially amongst young men, it's sickening.

 

[shell.q]

trust me i will put my all in everyday to make it happy. i am on anti depressents, they stabilse the mind. not indeed make you happy but allows you to be able to contol your thoughts
as in having control of it, you can to an extent yes, but that is through grief and trauma things similar. just like someone with terets. there are chemicals you can not control.

 

[SurferNerd]

Who am I? Is the question every human essentially wants an answer too.

This may seem irrelevant, but think on it. Has more weighting in this discussion then you may initially realise.

 

[SnowFox]

SnowFox, I am very curious. I'm not completely denying the existence of clinical depression, but are you saying that it is not curable? And furthermore only manageable through drugs? I'm just wanting you to clarify your position here.

Im not saying its not curable, i had Clinical Depression (doctor mis diagnosed as bi-polar) and i still suffer from PTSD. What im trying to say is people cant just simply flip it off like a switch, it is gradual. Eventually hormone levels will adjust back to normal, but depending on how the levels are effecting the sufferer can alter the time it takes for them to retrun to a normal state.

Drugs, i see, are a last resort thing. I was on Zoloft and Respirdal for 10 years and ive have never felt better once i left them. The drugs are only a mask for the underlying problem.
Got ADHD? Give them a depressent.
Got Depression? Give them a anti depressent.

People with depression should see psychiatrists, problem is the price. The ones that do are lucky, or they just want attention and dont actually have a problem.

I was lucky because the Public Trustee handed over 24 hours of free psychiatry sessions to a top psychiatrist in sydney.

 

[Hagaren]

what trauma did you experience that led to PTSD?

 

[shell.q]

I accept that there are times when it comes on through hormone imbalances (eg Pre-natal depression), but I think that overall we are becoming a 'depression culture'. It is the thing we all think we have these days as soon as we don't get what we want. I fundamentally think it is an identity level issue. Product of attachment/desire, especially in this consumerist war that television/film has placed us in.

yes i believe it is coming more of a culture thing in a way. but the people who actually do have are the ones that do not think they do those that hide it so good.
well my thoughts anway

 

[SurferNerd]

Im not saying its not curable, i had Clinical Depression (doctor mis diagnosed as bi-polar) and i still suffer from PTSD. What im trying to say is people cant just simply flip it off like a switch, it is gradual. Eventually hormone levels will adjust back to normal, but depending on how the levels are effecting the sufferer can alter the time it takes for them to retrun to a normal state.

Drugs, i see, are a last resort thing. I was on Zoloft and Respirdal for 10 years and ive have never felt better once i left them. The drugs are only a mask for the underlying problem.
Got ADHD? Give them a depressent.
Got Depression? Give them a anti depressent.

People with depression should see psychiatrists, problem is the price. The ones that do are lucky, or they just want attention and dont actually have a problem.

I was lucky because the Public Trustee handed over 24 hours of free psychiatry sessions to a top psychiatrist in sydney.

Exactly, a mask. People see pyschologists etc for 10 years trying to find out "why" they are depressed and take drugs prescribed by pyschiatrists. The results are too variable to make any valid conclusions.

However, it is interesting what you said about flipping the switch.

Look into NLP, 'clinically depressed' people have effectively been 'cured' within a few sessions with a certified NLP practioner. Of course, it is simply an evolving branch of thought, but the goal of NLP is to develop a model of "how" certain thoughts are created within our internal representational systems, not "why". Once you have identified the triggers, you can 're-frame' your reality and effectively eliminate the old feelings, replacing them with new thoughts and consequentially, giving you a new state of mind.

 

[shell.q]

Im not saying its not curable, i had Clinical Depression (doctor mis diagnosed as bi-polar) and i still suffer from PTSD. What im trying to say is people cant just simply flip it off like a switch, it is gradual. Eventually hormone levels will adjust back to normal, but depending on how the levels are effecting the sufferer can alter the time it takes for them to retrun to a normal state.

Drugs, i see, are a last resort thing. I was on Zoloft and Respirdal for 10 years and ive have never felt better once i left them. The drugs are only a mask for the underlying problem.
Got ADHD? Give them a depressent.
Got Depression? Give them a anti depressent.

People with depression should see psychiatrists, problem is the price. The ones that do are lucky, or they just want attention and dont actually have a problem.

I was lucky because the Public Trustee handed over 24 hours of free psychiatry sessions to a top psychiatrist in sydney.

i agree with this, it is a gradual, but are still and always will be vulnerable to the illness through their whole life
thts wat i meant by saying i have to have it for the rest of my life.

i was luky, free physchiatrist and phsycoligist service was provided to me. if it wasnt i doubt i would be here

 

[TylerDurden09]

I think he was talking in the context of just flicking it off like a switch.

Well effectively you can. Go read Tony Robbins.

or Eckhart Tolle.

 

[SnowFox]

what trauma did you experience that led to PTSD?

Father was murdered when i was in year 3, mother put bad pictures in my head about him and she still does and im in year 12.

Dont exactly like hearing "Your father killed your unborn brother and your exactly like him" Whilst in the presesnce of my partner.

 

[Cookie182]

Prozac- "it's like Christianity without the tears"

 

[Cookie182]

See, I understand how you're thinking, but I think it can run two ways. Yes, having a label will lead some people to be resigned to being "ill" and thus blaming all lifes problems on this and refusing to break a cycle (which can be broken with a whole lot of effort and strong will). At the same time - this worked for me personally - I found that having the labels (depression et.al.) made it easier for me to fight. I knew what was happening, and I could figure out "ok so these are ways that will help me get through what is going on". Mine wasn't biological, it was from a series of events that occured, and I developed PTSD style symptoms, but knowing what I was battling made it easier for me to overcome all the crap and get out (for the most part) the other side.

The victim mentality does get old, and I get sick to death of people blaming all their problems on mental illness, disability, <insert inequity here> because it just further entrenches the ideas that people have about these issues.

Good post. +ve repp'ed.

Oh, i need to spread some rep.

 

[Hagaren]

Father was murdered when i was in year 3, mother put bad pictures in my head about him and she still does and im in year 12.

Dont exactly like hearing "Your father killed your unborn brother and your exactly like him" Whilst in the presesnce of my partner.

your mum is a bitch.

See this is a reason I can believe.

 

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