Is hsc English a real subject? (4 Viewers)

[Deathwatch]

By the way I love mathematics and sciences and I'm not very good at English. But its essential to our way of life in a western country.

 

[dp624]

you have got to be kidding me? Its only now that im studying another language that I'm realising how little i learnt about English as a language at school, you are taught practically zero english grammer. As for eloquence, some people spend their entire lives trying trying to figure out how to speak effectivly, and again, you are not taught taught these skills in junior school.

Grammar, I find, is developed in primary school

and eloquence is quite hard, yes - being succint, persuasive, and meaty

 

[-may-cat-]

Grammar, I find, is developed in primary school

seriously? Knowing what nouns, verbs and adjectives are does not constitute a good knowledge of grammar imo.

 

[Deathwatch]

Agreed

 

[dp624]

seriously? Knowing what nouns, verbs and adjectives are does not constitute a good knowledge of grammar imo.

well, for me, grammar comes naturally; i'm usually gramatically correct, and haven't conducted further studies in grammar since primary

i don't need to exactly know what clauses are etc; i know when to use them, except it's hard to explain

 

[-may-cat-]

well, for me, grammar comes naturally; i'm usually gramatically correct, and haven't conducted further studies in grammar since primary

Do you know any other languages?

 

[dp624]

Do you know any other languages?

my own native one; that's all though

 

[-may-cat-]

my own native one; that's all though

mk, i thought not. Its just when you learn another language, it opens up this crazy new world of ridiculously complex grammar that applies to english as well, just most people don't know about it because we are never taught it at school.

While most of this grammar is not particularly important in speaking/reading the language, it is crucial in understanding how the language works. As HSC english does not focus on this, most people who speak english have very little understanding of the language, even though they may think they do.

 

[LordPc]

HSC english doesn't teach you shit about the language or eloquence, it teaches you about literature.

problem is its not all good literature. the skrzynecki poems were to be perfectly honest, terrible examples of poetry. just terrible, they can barely be considered poetry.

would much rather have studied Robert Frost's poetry, every poem (not just the common related texts) he wrote is beautiful. or keats or tennyson or any other good poet would have been a better choice.

 

[-may-cat-]

problem is its not all good literature. the skrzynecki poems were to be perfectly honest, terrible examples of poetry. just terrible, they can barely be considered poetry.

would much rather have studied Robert Frost's poetry, every poem (not just the common related texts) he wrote is beautiful. or keats or tennyson or any other good poet would have been a better choice.

i completely agree, most of my texts were terrible.

 

[iRuler]

Dude, I think it's presumptuous of anyone really to claim that they, or others they know, can do all that stuff. Like, I know namu's really good and all, but he's not a god; maybe his sheer volume of posts is beyond godlike though

lol hehehehehe

you have a point... but you're a bigger hero of mine then him

Overall... the point was that he is putting in effort, and with effort he is earning success, but for you, you've already put in an extreme amount of effort and in return received the best!

It's just soo inspiring and motivational to you guys and your achievements, makes me want to push my self to the extreme and beyond.

Sorry if my previous post sounded kinda stupid or anything.

 

[rainonmyparade]

No offence, but do you happen to be yet another Asain... good at math, crap at english.

Actually it's the other way round. I'm crap at maths and good at english. By the way, an asian girl topped english adv last year.

 

[emmjee92]

Let's just admit it. What is the purpose of studying English at school? I mean, how do you apply all this crap about different language techniques, and analysing texts to life. We already know English, and an understanding of English (which most of us have) is all about English that is required.

And plus, maths IS the universal language (whether you like it or not), and you can't argue against that. Maths is used in everyday instances, such as in banking, finance, engineering, accounting, etc...

So if English is compulsory, Maths also should be

 

[Tully B.]

This.

Is why English needs to be taught.

Damn straight. Get over it people. Go whine to the other BoS.

And plus, maths IS the universal language (whether you like it or not), and you can't argue against that. Maths is used in everyday instances, such as in banking, finance, engineering, accounting, etc...

So if English is compulsory, Maths also should be

When people say "Maths is the universal language", they don't actually mean it when they say "language". English is Australia's national language and should thus be thoroughly understood by people who want to become doctors, lawyers or engineers within this country.

 

[dp624]

I'm certain that doctors, lawyers and engineers need to know what exactly Shakespeare was meaning when he made King Lear do this/that, and the effect of reinterpretations of that over time.
Totally relevant

 

[iRuler]

I'm certain that doctors, lawyers and engineers need to know what exactly Shakespeare was meaning when he made King Lear do this/that, and the effect of reinterpretations of that over time.
Totally relevant

lol nice one, 100% agreed! :rofl:

 

[duckcowhybrid]

If I want to be a Journalist, a meter maid, a primary school teacher, etc, I honestly doubt I'd need to know much Calculus. And Lawyers would certainly need to know how analyze texts, it's highly useful in analyzing cases and stuff. Maybe not the metaphors and shit but certainly the deeper meaning extracted throuhg the techniques. I doubt a lawyer would really need maths though. Regardless the idea that someone can waltz into Uni with a high UAI without knowing much English would be pretty bad. Maths is good, but I don't think it should be compulsory. if you think it should, tell it to the BOARD of Studies.

 

[dp624]

If I want to be a Journalist, a meter maid, a primary school teacher, etc, I honestly doubt I'd need to know much Calculus. And Lawyers would certainly need to know how analyze texts, it's highly useful in analyzing cases and stuff. Maybe not the metaphors and shit but certainly the deeper meaning extracted throuhg the techniques. I doubt a lawyer would really need maths though. Regardless the idea that someone can waltz into Uni with a high UAI without knowing much English would be pretty bad. Maths is good, but I don't think it should be compulsory. if you think it should, tell it to the BOARD of Studies.

I could say English is good, but I don't think it should be compulsory. Perhaps til year 10

There's probably an even split of occupations which use on or the other

 

[clintmyster]

I could say English is good, but I don't think it should be compulsory. Perhaps til year 10

There's probably an even split of occupations which use on or the other

So far in year 12 though, I've found English pretty relevant to me, especially the AOS Belonging and Module C - representatons of texts. For belonging, you gain an understanding of yourself, especially in things that you do subconsciously and so what. In representation of texts, you see how people persuade others which could be really effective in speeches which you may have to deliver in uni or even in the workplace. This skill is imperative to succeeding because lets face it we have to do it at some point.

 

[hosay]

lol, i started this thread and forgot bout it, nd i looked at it now, wow
btw im good at english and will probably get a band 6 so im not complainin becasue im not good at it
its just compared to my other subjects it seems quite pointless nd ur not taught a lot but expected to infer it yourself, and english is very good at making good movies and texts(which you may normally enjoy) crap when u hav to thread them for meaning that the composer might or might not have intended