Some are born gay, some achieve gayness, and some have gayness thrust upon them (5 Viewers)

[Kwayera]

They're all "natural occurances", however there's a distinct difference between mental illnesses and "sexual deviancy from the norm".

 

[SnowFox]

Alright. Why do you not regard bipolar as a natural occurance? Why is pedophilia not just a natural occurance?

Don't get all morally outraged, guy. We're motorcycle buddies.

Ok i should of worded that differently.

Mental disease is something that is bad for you, in laymans terms since i gotta go in a min to watch GF play semi finals for netball.

Last time i checked, homosexuality wasnt detrimental to ones health.

 

[Iron]

Homosexual acts and homosexual tendencies should be distinguished.

Regarding acts, Sacred Scripture presents them as grave sins. The Tradition has constantly considered them as intrinsically immoral and contrary to the natural law. Consequently, under no circumstance can they be approved.

Deep-seated homosexual tendencies, which are found in a number of men and women, are also objectively disordered and, for those same people, often constitute a trial. Such persons must be accepted with respect and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. They are called to fulfil God's will in their lives and to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter.

Such persons, in fact, find themselves in a situation that gravely hinders them from relating correctly to men and women.

 

[SnowFox]

Homosexual acts and homosexual tendencies should be distinguished.

Regarding acts, Sacred Scripture presents them as grave sins. The Tradition has constantly considered them as intrinsically immoral and contrary to the natural law. Consequently, under no circumstance can they be approved.

Deep-seated homosexual tendencies, which are found in a number of men and women, are also objectively disordered and, for those same people, often constitute a trial. Such persons must be accepted with respect and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. They are called to fulfil God's will in their lives and to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter.

Such persons, in fact, find themselves in a situation that gravely hinders them from relating correctly to men and women.

No, fuck off, dont bring your bible here, ill just burn it.

 

[Iron]

how rude

 

[SnowFox]

Straight to the point and effective.

 

[Iron]

vulgar and unfriendly

 

[SnowFox]

Reminds me of jarjar binks.

Well im off to watch netball.

 

[Iron]

unapologetic and arrogant

 

[HumanDichotomy]

Homosexual acts and homosexual tendencies should be distinguished.

Regarding acts, Sacred Scripture presents them as grave sins.

Yeah and it's not everyone's Scripture...plus, there are many, many things in the Bible which we now consider obsolete, i.e. The idea of stoning one's wife for adultery, or even washing someone's feet when they come into your house. The Bible has many good messages in it, but these messages must be taken in context.

 

[Iron]

as long as that context is total disbelief, right?

 

[HumanDichotomy]

No...simply a realisation that these texts were written thousands of years ago, and values since then have changed.

 

[Tangent]

muffins.......

obviously some peoples opinions will never change, so there is no point trying to convince them otherwise. Agree to disagree? Walk towards a better world, hands entwined?

 

[Ben Netanyahu]

Some want to accept
Some want to eradicate

Those cannot walk hand in hand, as both of my hands are placed firmly on a rifle.

I, am BENJAMIN NETANYAHU: Prime Minister of Israel. I now quote the basis of my belief of threat from the Torah.

"Rabbi Huna said in the name of Rabbi Joseph, 'The generation of the Flood was not wiped out until they wrote marriage documents for the union of a man to a male or to an animal."

That's right folks. They're gonna wipe us out.

 

[HumanDichotomy]

muffins.......

obviously some peoples opinions will never change, so there is no point trying to convince them otherwise. Agree to disagree? Walk towards a better world, hands entwined?

Exactly...be glad for the good, take the bad as it comes, together...work with the similarities rather than fighting over the differences.

 

[HumanDichotomy]

Some want to accept
Some want to eradicate.

An unfortunate truth.

 

[Graney]

Except it isn't characterised by features that make up a mental disease. In your head, maybe, but not those of people who actually know and decide what a mental disease is.

Homosexuality has many of the features of mental illness including shortened life expectancy for sufferers, and is associated with higher risk for a range of other mental illnesses, beyond what would be expected due to the standard social isolation experienced by gays.

It was only declassified as a mental illness by the APA in 1973. The distinction is mainly political. By the 1970's it was politically unpalatable to continue calling homosexuality a mental illness, but there's no good, evidential distinction between pre and post-declassification.

You can reasonably argue, as many do, that things like autism, shizophrenia etc... are different cognitive styles, and not disorders or a disability.

Neurodiversity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Defining mental illness is a contestable subject. Even the definition of 'illness' is far from clear.

 

[HumanDichotomy]

Homosexuality has many of the features of mental illness including shortened life expectancy for sufferers, and is associated with higher risk for a range of other mental illnesses, beyond what would be expected due to the standard social isolation experienced by gays.

So, what you're saying, if I have read you correctly, is actually that the increased depression is caused by greater society's reaction to homosexuality rather than homosexuality itself? Which would mean that it's NOT a disease, it's instead a perfectly rational reaction, similar to that which would be experienced due to any sort of rejection.

But, on the other hand, you're right. The definition of such things is highly controversial given the complex nature of human behaviour, emotions, thinking etc. The problem is the connotations that come with mental illness, which is still very much stigmatized...gays who've accepted themselves (and those accepting of them) don't see themselves as disordered, crazy or depressed, which are ideas very much connected to mental illness.

Defining mental illness is a contestable subject. Even the definition of 'illness' is far from clear.

There needs to be a change in perception of all such things...

 

[Iron]

The rejection is an inevitable cause of the disorder. But they are always alienated from the strength and assurance of traditional family life

 

[Kwayera]

Homosexuality has many of the features of mental illness including shortened life expectancy for sufferers, and is associated with higher risk for a range of other mental illnesses, beyond what would be expected due to the standard social isolation experienced by gays.

It was only declassified as a mental illness by the APA in 1973. The distinction is mainly political. By the 1970's it was politically unpalatable to continue calling homosexuality a mental illness, but there's no good, evidential distinction between pre and post-declassification.

You can reasonably argue, as many do, that things like autism, shizophrenia etc... are different cognitive styles, and not disorders or a disability.

Neurodiversity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Defining mental illness is a contestable subject. Even the definition of 'illness' is far from clear.

I was more relating to the fact that the gene mutations that result in homosexuality produce anatomical differences as well as ones involving brain chemistry, so would be hard to continue arguing it as a "mental illness".