Morality (4 Viewers)

[Omar-Comin]

No that was actually Stringer Bell's definiton. So yeah, you proved your own guy wrong. I was merely using it to steer you guys into realising how ridiculous your entire arguments were.

'Morality is any system of interlocking values, practices, institutions, and psychological mechanisms that work together to suppress selfishness and make social life possible.' Stringer Bell's definiton.

there's a difference between selfishness and self-interest you illiterate baby-killer

 

[mirakon]

there's a difference between selfishness and self-interest you illiterate baby-killer

Yeah, what? Self-interest leads to selfishness.

 

[Stringer Bell]

That's the point. You're saying morality is ultimately for self-interest, but that's contradictory. Isn't self-interest, non-altruistic and therefore immoral?

Morality (especially, and virtually exclusively, human morality) often relies on self interest. Take Love for example. You want to Love another person, and want to be with them; is this selfish? Yes, does that make it immoral? No...

 

[Stringer Bell]

My use of the word 'selfishness' in my definition of morality, refers to 'defection' from social norms; i.e cheating. And morality is the system which tries to suppress this cheating; whether it be by laws, guilt, etc.

 

[mirakon]

My use of the word 'selfishness' in my definition of morality, refers to 'defection' from social norms; i.e cheating. And morality is the system which tries to suppress this cheating; whether it be by laws, guilt, etc.

You can't just make up a definition of a word that has an altogether different definition. I can't define blue as 'green'.

 

[Omar-Comin]

You can't just make up a definition of a word that has an altogether different definition. I can't define blue as 'green'.

well you can't define the word God, so you're not allowed to use it or say you believe in 'God'.

 

[Stringer Bell]

So morality is for self-survival? Doesn't this mean that the underlying purpose of your morality is somewhat selfish. Doesn't this contradict your definition that morality is supposed to suppress selfishness, rather than reinforce it.

Also, you fail to realise morality differs from person to person, so how can you assume the whole species has developed a high form of morality. Humans are perhaps the most selfish and immoral of all animals.

Wow your thick. 'Morality is for self survival'....the fuck? Group Survival. Group Selection. Um yea it differs from person to person and society to society, but if actually read my fucking definition your would realize that I am careful to say 'any' system (however, some systems will be more successful than others).

Morality is any system of interlocking values, practices, institutions, and psychological mechanisms that work together
to suppress or regulate selfishness and make social life possible



@Your silly blue/green comment, I was simply clarifying what I meant by 'selfishness', as you had it confused with 'self-interest'. You dunce blockhead.

 

[mirakon]

well you can't define the word God, so you're not allowed to use it or say you believe in 'God'.

Yes you can define God. And if I use Stringer Bell's logic of changing a definition of a word I can say God is myself and therefore he exists.

You see how ridiculous your logic is now?

Oh and please stay on topic.

 

[Omar-Comin]

Yes you can define God. And if I use Stringer Bell's logic of changing a definition of a word I can say God is myself and therefore he exists.

You see how ridiculous your logic is now?

Oh and please stay on topic.

No H'mong-boy, by your logic you have to define the word God before you can use it..
so define 'god'

 

[Stringer Bell]

Yes you can define God. And if I use Stringer Bell's logic of changing a definition of a word I can say God is myself and therefore he exists.

You see how ridiculous your logic is now?

Oh and please stay on topic.

How the fuck did I change a definition? You got confused with self interest and selfishness. I educated you.

 

[mirakon]

No H'mong-boy, by your logic you have to define the word God before you can use it..
so define 'god'

An omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent creator of the Universe, God is the unified consciousness of all living things.

Okay, now get back on topic or gtfo.

 

[Stringer Bell]

An omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent creator of the Universe, God is the unified consciousness of all living things.

Okay, now get back on topic or gtfo.

Haha, it's definition contradicts its existence. Fail much?

 

[mirakon]

Haha, it's definition contradicts its existence. Fail much?

How?

 

[Flissty]

imo morality is relative.

It's dependant on the individuals' capacity for compassion and empathy.
Which is more or less influenced by society and how we are raised.

 

[mirakon]

imo morality is relative.

It's dependant on the individuals' capacity for compassion and empathy.
Which is more or less influenced by society and how we are raised.

Exactly, that's what I've been trying to say for about 20 posts! Thank you, finally someone else who has intelligence on this thread (for what has been ages).

 

[Stringer Bell]

How?

Well firstly, if it is the 'united consciousness of all living things' (which it is clearly not because I, being conscious, am not conscious of anything other than myself) then it definatley could not have created the Universe (as there where no living, and certainly not sentient, creatures at that time).

Secondly, if you posit that this could can intervene (which I presume you do) then it cannot be both omnipotent and omniscient. Thirdly, how could be omnipresent in outer space, if it where 'united consciousnesses'. Fourthly....etc,etc,etc..

 

[Flissty]

Well firstly, if it is the 'united consciousness of all living things' (which it is clearly not because I, being conscious, am not conscious of anything other than myself) then it definatley could not have created the Universe (as there where no living, and certainly not sentient, creatures at that time).

Secondly, if you posit that this could can intervene (which I presume you do) then it cannot be both omnipotent and omniscient. Thirdly, how could be omnipresent in outer space, if it where 'united consciousnesses'. Fourthly....etc,etc,etc..

Reading this hurt.

 

[Stringer Bell]

imo morality is relative.

It's dependant on the individuals' capacity for compassion and empathy.
Which is more or less influenced by society and how we are raised.

Wrong, you fucktard. Objective Moral axioms exist and transcend individuals. Morality relativity, also self-contradictory, is a failed non-explanation.

 

[mirakon]

Well firstly, if it is the 'united consciousness of all living things' (which it is clearly not because I, being conscious, am not conscious of anything other than myself) then it definatley could not have created the Universe (as there where no living, and certainly not sentient, creatures at that time).

Secondly, if you posit that this could can intervene (which I presume you do) then it cannot be both omnipotent and omniscient. Thirdly, how could be omnipresent in outer space, if it where 'united consciousnesses'. Fourthly....etc,etc,etc..

Nothing exists if we can't perceive it. Therefore as consciousness is what perceives, consciousness created the universe.

What is power, but the abaility to influence? Obviously cosnciousness influences all living things. Hell, all living things are a result of consciousness.

There is no knowledge beyond consciousness as nothing exists without consciousness (as proven earlier) and thus unified consciousness is omniscient

If you want to discuss this further, then go on the right thread, stop changing the topic here you fool. Just becuase you lost the previous argument.

 

[mirakon]

Wrong, you fucktard. Objective Moral axioms exist and transcend individuals. Morality relativity, also self-contradictory, is a failed non-explanation.

If you knew even a tad of philosophy, you know that axioms are meant to be broken. Axioms don't prove anything. Loser. And also axioms don't transcend individualism, they are human-constructs to help us progress.