Carbon Tax (2 Viewers)

[Azure]

Makes me angry listening to her tone.

 

[Lentern]

labor, but stop dodging the point: If a carbon tax is popular, why is labor support so low? And why does this decrease correlate with the announcement ofthe carbon tax?

I'd say the biggest cause of Labor's unpopularity is that they knifed an highly popular first term prime minister in a move which was widely perceived to be nothing more than old union factions wresting back power for powers sake. In order to legitimize this move the government has been forced to distance itself from the agenda of the former Prime Minister which, like the former pm, was very popular. Why is the Tax itself making things worse? A part of it is the disinformation campaign on the part of part of Tony Abbott and his backers but largely because there are four or five mechanisms for pricing carbon and the other three or four have combined popularity much greater than the one the government has chosen.

 

[Lentern]

If Australians oppose a price on carbon, why do polls show Turnbull is more popular than Abbott? #mountanargumentlikesylvester

 

[Phoenix Fury]

juliar

 

[cosmo kramer]

juliar gilard needs to be slapped around a bit

 

[Chemical Ali]

The tax is just a poorly veiled effort for wealth redistribution, masked as environmental policy.

right wing conspiracy theorists can't into revenue neutral tax

 

[SylviaB]

right wing conspiracy theorists can't into revenue neutral tax

except its going to cost $4bn????

 

[Chemical Ali]

small price to pay

doesn't change the point that no one seems to understand how there can still be an incentive even if there's compensation

 

[SylviaB]

small price to pay

...for nothing (?)

 

[Chemical Ali]

no, to incentivize a lower greenhouse economy, and also help prepare for the long term when fossil fuels start running out

 

[SylviaB]

no, to incentivize a lower greenhouse economy

Which will do nothing.

and also help prepare for the long term when fossil fuels start running out

Um have you ever heard of PRICES before?

Lol leftists act like "Oh welll you see one day we're going to abruptly run out of oil and coal and then the entire global economy will be ruined!"

 

[sillyboy44]

right wing conspiracy theorists can't into revenue neutral tax

It's gonna cost 4.3 billion, which is compounded by the lack of compensation for a number of high income earners.

 

[Lentern]

except its going to cost $4bn????

You mean raise 4bn

 

[sillyboy44]

You mean raise 4bn

No, its going to raise much more than that. However after all the measures have been implemented, another $4 billion on top of the revenue will be spent.

 

[Chemical Ali]

Which will do nothing.




Um have you ever heard of PRICES before?

Lol leftists act like "Oh welll you see one day we're going to abruptly run out of oil and coal and then the entire global economy will be ruined!"

>increase price
>HAVE YOU NEVER HEARD OF PRICES

but considering fossil fuel companies actively fight investment in clean technology would you like to explain where else the technology to replace them is going to appear from?

 

[Garygaz]

oh im glad australia with its 1% of emissions world wide is going to make this big leap forward. never mind china/US.

nah but the greenies have to feel good about themselves when they are going to bed at night regardless of the fact that this is going to do nothing.

 

[Chemical Ali]

oh im glad australia with its 1% of emissions world wide is going to make this big leap forward. never mind china/US.

nah but the greenies have to feel good about themselves when they are going to bed at night regardless of the fact that this is going to do nothing.

implying China and some US states aren't already taking similar action? also it's 1.6% vs. 0.5% world population

also 80% from 2000 levels by 2050 is a huge target

 

[SylviaB]

but considering fossil fuel companies actively fight investment in clean technology

How? Do they go around threatening companies if they plan to make these investments?

would you like to explain where else the technology to replace them is going to appear from?

Increasing scarcity > Increasingly higher prices > Increasingly larger profit potential for alternative energy > Investors attracted by profit

The idea that government should artificially jack up prices is just a cop-out and will only serve to make Australia less competitive

 

[SylviaB]

You mean raise 4bn

sigh...no.

The carbon tax will provide $4bn less than the bribes offered to keepeveryone happy over this retarded law

 

[Lentern]

sigh...no.

The carbon tax will provide $4bn less than the bribes offered to keepeveryone happy over this retarded law

I don't like this tax anymore, taxes are there to take money away from people and invest in what they don't want but ought to have. They are not supposed to give people back money.