Drug Legalisation (3 Viewers)

[Blastus]

It was essentially currency at one point in time and for that reason and former dependence it is nigh impossible to male illegal.

It is illegal to own in Iran.

 

[abbeyroad]

hi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibition_in_the_United_States

 

[iwantfreeessays]

It sounds abhorrent doesn't it? Government control over what you do? Restriction of freedom of speech and liberty!!! How dare they!

Haven't you heard of the alcohol limit? Drink a certain amount, and you can't drive. I'd call that a government telling its people what to consume...

Hasn't it occurred to you that people might stop you from doing stupid things because they might actually care about the consequences, and about you?

Your parents might care where you go out and what's consumed there because they don't want a policeman coming to their door in the dead of night to tell them you're not going to be coming back. Your friends might care if you don't eat and refuse all food in search of some ideal of "beauty" because you're too fat. Are they just going to stand by and let you?

These things can spell life or death for people.

Drink driving is illegal because it infringes on other peoples rights. How are you infringing on other's rights buy privately using drugs?

 

[kaz1]

Yes, under strict conditions and supervision cause I value our socialist healthcare and unregulated drugs would really fuck it up.

 

[funkshen]

Drink driving is illegal because it infringes on other peoples rights. How are you infringing on other's rights buy privately using drugs?

that's not why drink driving is illegal you spastic

it's illegal because driving on public roads is a privilege granted to the individual by the state who can, ultimately, revoke the privilege if you do not drive responsibly

 

[iwantfreeessays]

The fact that you are not driving responsible infringes on other rights.

 

[funkshen]

no, it really doesn't

crashing in to them does

driving with a BAC above 0.05 in most australian states does not

as the owner and operator of roads, the state government simply has the right to determine what behaviour is allowed on the road. these decisions are either made in compliance with international standards, according to political pressure, or by risk-benefit analysis. literally has nothing to do with rights.

 

[iwantfreeessays]

Look, i don't even think that it should be illegal, but i am just giving you the rationale of the government. Drink driving is negligence.

 

[funkshen]

the simple act is is not negligence, which in civil law only has to do with harm caused, not hypothetical

drink driving is fucking dumb but its not about rights

 

[boris]

http://www.smh.com.au/national/the-great-debate-that-no-ones-talking-about-20111203-1ocag.html

So, Drug Legalization - Ye or Nay? Illegal drugs that is - I think you all know the ones I'm talking about. This includes other stuff like injection rooms etc

I have never tried drugs, and have no intention of doing so. I hate that so many people lose themselves to such toxic substances, destroying their lives and bodies, not to mention the impact it has on all the people around them. I understand the rationale behind drug legalization, that consumption is inevitable and that if there is a demand someone will supply it, better the government than criminals.

However, in my opinion this simply makes the government the criminals, as they are actively supporting life destroying habits. It is bad enough that people choose to take up such habits, but to give them a nod of approval in the sight of the law is more than I can stomach. In reference to the article above, I am seriously concerned that someone would push such a view. When someone enjoys something which poses such serious consequences both mentally and physically I become increasingly worried about the state of our society.

Help them overcome it? Absolutely. Encourage them to continue it? No.[HR][/HR][HR][/HR]

why is being a drug addict 'life destroying'?
even if it was literally 'life destroying' ie they died as a direct result of their addiction, why would it matter? it was their life, this was what they chose to do with it? why is whatever you are doing with your life a more valid choice than being a drug addict?

 

[boris]

Your entire argument is pretty flawed

First of all, not every single drug user is an addict that rapes kids whilst high on PCP and crystal meth. It's simply not true. Now I have no basis for this, (yeah, discontinue reading from here on until my next paragraph) but I'd posit that most users of recreational drugs are exactly that. Recreational users. They aren't addicted, they aren't dependent upon it and they aren't (too) destructive to themselves, their loved ones or society at large.

Another thing that you said is that the government should supply it, which is not what users here would support. I would much rather a private enterprise that will be held accountable for its product and its profit and, equally as important, its losses. A private company working in self interest with the profit motive will provide superior narcotics at cheaper prices. You'll probably not have any of the fucking horseshit that goes into pills and junk as well. Of course they will definitely have to follow some pretty stringent guidelines and practices. Like not putting shards of glass in their products.

You're also saying that if something is now legal, there will be a huge flock of demand for it. That's not entirely true. Usually there is no real change in the demand because quite simply the demand is already being fulfilled. People who were using it before legalisation are merely going to continue to do so but the state won't put them in rape cages with violent criminals for it anymore. You might see a small spike in sales, especially since they can actually be recorded now a lot more accurately, but this may be due to current users increasing their short term demand since the price will have dropped so dramatically.

Decriminalisation at the very least is not a thumbs up from the state to go ahead and get high every 30 minutes and then fuck your neighbour's dog. That's not how society works. Society works in a social way (derp), not a coercive way. People won't do drugs because it affects their health, the same way people don't smoke and drink or have unprotected sex with strangers. They will also not do it because they think it is something that is 'beneath' them (or something along those lines) and through the processes of social interaction, people can more or less ween their communities off of drug use if users are ostracised for their actions. Now if there is a choice between merely excluding someone from social gatherings or invading their house, kidnapping them at gunpoint, throwing them into a cage with violent men/women for whatever length of incredulous time, I would choose the former.


I was going to include this part in the first response, but I think it's more fitting here. It's interesting that you harp on and moan about "the consequences" and "hurting people". You know the drug war in America has caused about 36,000 deaths right? You know criminalisation of substances gives root to black markets that enforce their trades with horrendous violence, widespread corruption, extortion, rape and murder right? That's not even including what the state does to people (the same thing). You don't seem to realise that the consequences of legalisation are that, yes substances are more readily available for immediate consumption for people, but that it relinquishes the cartel's vice-grip on force, innocent civilians and allows violence to diminish on a wides scale. It might take a generation to see these monsters die off, but it will be worth the wait. Where would any drug lord who keeps his business in check with widespread violence get his power from if he can't sell his products at a marketable price? Free enterprise would undercut the cartels and we would see freer societies in South American nations because the cartels would lose their footholds in government, because they no longer have the funds for it. Without money, they have no power and without power, we have no violence.

So, as you can see, these things can spell life or death for people.


That's a really fallacious argument that doesn't mean anything.

"yo so like alcohol has a higher bodycount than anthrax, why can't I shoot that up at central station fuck fascism"

The analogies you're putting forth aren't the same to what you're supposed to be arguing. You're arguing whether the state should coerce the citizenry into following the majority rule on substance use. This is very different to them inflicting very serious, immediate harm on themselves. Before you say "rah rah rah drugs are bad mmkay", someone smoking a joint of marijuana isn't going to die from it, while someone who is opening their veins at the wrist with bladed instruments is very likely to. Like I said before, individuals, in their own self interest, will use social interaction and constructs to keep drug use down. I bet that if you ever have children, you will tell them that all drugs are bad and you should stay away from them (social interaction). That's not the same as putting a gun to their head every step they take throughout their life warning them off it (coercion).

A child committing suicide is not really the same situation dude and it's a pretty poor attempt to draw a connection.

well i think we could use australia as a sort of case study. by looking at the rates of drug use here and comparing that to crime rates etc, suicides, employment statistics etc we could conclude that taking cocaine makes you commit less crimes, be employed, happy and live to a very old age (if you dont suicide that is)

highest rates of cocaine use
very high rates of marijuana, mdma and amphetamines use

happiest country
high employment rates
strongest economy
high life expectancy
2nd highest standard of living

taking drugs makes us the best country?

 

[boris]

I think this is the only anti-libertarianism stance I've taken on any opinion poll. I'm just against the free-use and legalisation of drugs because of the way I've had family members affected.

what happened with your family
if drugs were legal whatever happened, probably wouldnt have happened

 

[boris]

This is true. I'm at contention with myself regarding the issue as a whole, but my heart says that illegal drugs should remain illegal. My head, however, as left wing as possible says that people should be allowed to do what they want as long as it doesn't harm others. I suppose I support the government's banning of certain drugs in order to protect people, but that doesn't interfere with their own choices to do what they want.

You're not really going to be held at gunpoint as a user, ever. You'll be fined, convicted of a criminal act (gaoled if necessary) and that'll be the end of it.



I know what you're trying to say, but this is my exception to the libertarian rule.

ya dumb cunt what happens when you refuse to be locked in a cage by the police?
they get their guns out and force you at gunpoint into a cage
stupid cunt

 

[Ivorytw]

we don't even take many drugs anyway

wading behind

 

[boris]

we don't even take many drugs anyway

wading behind

#1 in the world for cocaine consumption apparently but i dunno i guess they have trouble gathering data from columbia etc

 

[Ivorytw]

you go north shore girls!!!

get us to no 1 for real!

 

[boris]

Marijuana/cannabis accounted for 71% of illicit drug arrests in 2004–05.
In 2005, one in 10 prisoners was imprisoned for drug-related offences.

fuck why
fuck this system

 

[boris]

Marijuana/cannabis was the most common illicit drug used, with one in three persons (34%)
having used it at least once in their lifetime and 11% of the population having used it in the
previous 12 months.



fuck come on

1 in 10 australia citizens being persecuted for smockin sum joints

 

[Garygaz]

you go north shore girls!!!

get us to no 1 for real!

hahah yep i know a lot of friends from private north shore girls schools who are crack-whores now.



also how do people manage to get caught smoking dat grass, just do it at home or somewhere away from people

 

[SnowFox]

also how do people manage to get caught smoking dat grass, just do it at home or somewhere away from people

Police hit up the dealer, dealer squeals, buyers get caught out.

We just use to lob a pound their way and be done with it.