new draft senior national syllabuses (3 Viewers)

[Drongoski]

textbooks are not cheap
and we're trying to replace ALL the textbooks in EVERY subject in EVERY school , for the WHOLE nation

But that's good news for the educational publishing industry.

 

[Sanical]

A lot of new content would be evident, i.e. matrices, vector addition and all that.

Guess it would be more closely related to uni, which is better.

Haven't done a lot of that graph theory either... and all the statistics stuff...

A lot of retraining would have to be done for this

haha, sucks for tutors that just started teaching

 

[Peeik]

haha, sucks for tutors that just started teaching

hahahah so true

 

[Sanical]

textbooks are not cheap
and we're trying to replace ALL the textbooks in EVERY subject in EVERY school , for the WHOLE nation

That's where the $820/year from Gillard will come in handy.

 

[funnytomato]

That's where the $820/year from Gillard will come in handy.

lol
it's a CASH handout

people can [and probably will] spend it on anything

 

[funnytomato]

but it all comes down to one question:
is it worth the effort and money?

 

[LoveHateSchool]

I think the National Curriculum is a good idea. So it won't be bad for people moving interstate and will give a national standard.

Sucks for all the young teachers that have to retrain basically so soon. Oh and us recent graduates who will find it hard to tutor (but I'd prob be going to uni in Melb, and the VCE is soooo different) But looking through, it seems much. much more like the Victorian system (particularly the set out of the Maths and English). Especially with thier whole Unit 1/2 and Unit 3/4 thing. I'm not sure if I like the way it is, I quite like the Extension 1/2 system in English and Math in NSW, and it looks like there is not anything close to an EE2 equivalent :/ Though things like matrices are covered in QLD too surprisingly, not just Vic. But I wonder if all states/territories will get on board. I mean QLD won't do daylight savings lol.

Ohh and so many new textbooks. I always feel sorry for the first people who have to sit the syllabus. Even though they overhauled the HSC like back in 01/02 (can't remember), it wasn't as radically different as this haul over. Just think, one of the last years to do the HSC (if they're starting it in 2014 with Yr 11s, that'd make us the third last to do HSC right?)

EDIT: Haven't looked at them, but they have the same name set out for the history. None of that Revolutions or other stupid ones like Australian

 

[kaz1]

it looks like:
essential=sped
general=general
methods=3unit
specialist=1st year uni

 

[Peeik]

I think the National Curriculum is a good idea. So it won't be bad for people moving interstate and will give a national standard.

Sucks for all the young teachers that have to retrain basically so soon. Oh and us recent graduates who will find it hard to tutor (but I'd prob be going to uni in Melb, and the VCE is soooo different) But looking through, it seems much. much more like the Victorian system (particularly the set out of the Maths and English). Especially with thier whole Unit 1/2 and Unit 3/4 thing. I'm not sure if I like the way it is, I quite like the Extension 1/2 system in English and Math in NSW, and it looks like there is not anything close to an EE2 equivalent :/ Though things like matrices are covered in QLD too surprisingly, not just Vic. But I wonder if all states/territories will get on board. I mean QLD won't do daylight savings lol.

Ohh and so many new textbooks. I always feel sorry for the first people who have to sit the syllabus. Even though they overhauled the HSC like back in 01/02 (can't remember), it wasn't as radically different as this haul over. Just think, one of the last years to do the HSC (if they're starting it in 2014 with Yr 11s, that'd make us the third last to do HSC right?)

EDIT: Haven't looked at them, but they have the same name set out for the history. None of that Revolutions or other stupid ones like Australian

What do you mean? I've studied most of the math units that is covered in the new syllabus, all i have left is the stats.

 

[Skeptyks]

lol
it's a CASH handout

people can [and probably will] spend it on anything

But you can still spend it on the textbooks too...

 

[Sanical]

What do you mean? I've studied most of the math units that is covered in the new syllabus, all i have left is the stats.

Yeah, but that's because you're probably studying maths at uni. Many people teach phys/chem without actually doing a course specific to it. So it sucks for them since they need to study it now. Same for maths - a lot of people could be teaching maths but studying medicine or something.

 

[funnytomato]

Yeah, but that's because you're probably studying maths at uni. Many people teach phys/chem without actually doing a course specific to it. So it sucks for them since they need to study it now. Same for maths - a lot of people could be teaching maths but studying medicine or something.

by having a brief look at them, I don't see too much variation in the phys and chem syllabuses

esp. when you compare it to the new maths syllabuses,
which overlaps with some of 1st and 2nd year university subjects

which is why I said not only every thing has to change in high schools, but universities also have to change what they'll teach accordingly(at least for the ones in NSW)

 

[Drongoski]

Specialist Mathematics is more akin to the IB Diploma Maths Higher Level(HL)

 

[lolcakes52]

The topic's look good enough but I am interested as to how hard they will be and the depth which they will be examined in.

 

[saysesame]

Is this for the HSC? :O

 

[saysesame]

The topic's look good enough but I am interested as to how hard they will be and the depth which they will be examined in.

^ This

 

[seanieg89]

by having a brief look at them, I don't see too much variation in the phys and chem syllabuses

esp. when you compare it to the new maths syllabuses,
which overlaps with some of 1st and 2nd year university subjects

which is why I said not only every thing has to change in high schools, but universities also have to change what they'll teach accordingly(at least for the ones in NSW)

Not sure if I agree with this. Whilst there is some overlap in areas, university does things properly from scratch, something that I don't think is possible with the time constraints of one year and the level of understanding of the average high school teacher.

I think that universities should maintain their "clean-slate" approach, otherwise there will be a whole lot of students who know how to perform basic calculations with matrices but are at sea when asked to prove the corresponding basic properties of linear operators.

This may not matter so much for engineers or computer scientists, but it certainly does matter for someone who wants to study higher mathematics.

 

[math man]

Not sure if I agree with this. Whilst there is some overlap in areas, university does things properly from scratch, something that I don't think is possible with the time constraints of one year and the level of understanding of the average high school teacher.

I think that universities should maintain their "clean-slate" approach, otherwise there will be a whole lot of students who know how to perform basic calculations with matrices but are at sea when asked to prove the corresponding basic properties of linear operators.

This may not matter so much for engineers or computer scientists, but it certainly does matter for someone who wants to study higher mathematics.

This is definitely true. Schools rush through the course and dont really spend much time on subjects. Some of my students at their respective schools have only covered 3
4u topics at their school and i know that the plan for the upcoming weeks before their next test is to cover integration in one week, harder 3u in one week and volumes in
one week, which is simply blaffling. We all know harder 3u deserves a rigorious treatment well at least not just one week as for integration and volumes which do play an
important part for some mathematics university courses. The main problem is that teachers go to slow and then they have to rush through everything at the end and they
cant focus on these topics, which means students are just given formulaes and told how to do questions they are required to do in their tests, but not why they are doing them
or where they come from. The point im taking years to reach is that if the national syllabus implements these new topics most of which are first year topics from university then
there will be a very informal treatment of them as Sean mentioned above. This means the students will just wrote learn how to do questions and not really appreciate what they
are doing and it will ruin the beauty of maths. In conclusion of this essay, they should leave the syllabus the same, or only introducing minor tweaks such as basic vector properties
and matrices for solving systems, even ODE's would be good, but not the drastic change they are considering.

 

[lolcakes52]

I am just worried that people who are willing to be extended in mathematics, to very high levels, won't be able to nourish their intellectual hunger. One bad thing about this syllabus is the lack of a extension 1 course; I don't understand this move as I have friends who are very capable of extension 1 but would suffer in extension 2. They have introduced more courses so even someone who is "slower" can do 4 units of maths (like doing general and 2 unit), but at the cost of extending talented students. I am all for equal opportunity, but I would not like to sit through this course.

 

[tywebb]

There is a public forum on the new Senior Australian Syllabuses at

Burwood Girls High School on Saturday 16 June from 9:30 am to 12:30 pm.