what about a woman's right to control her reproductive system? do you know how hard it is for a woman to go through with an abortion? do you know how emotionally distressing it is to make a huge life decision? As the video says women who elect to have abortions will have kids later on in life when they feel they're more capable of raising a child.
Yeah but the mans situation lacks resentment towards himself. That makes it much easier for him.
nah
People opposed to abortion consider it to be quite literally the ending of a human life, so appeals to "controlling her reproductive system" don't really hold a lot of weight.
yeah its terrible
i get what you're saying, but letting a woman decide to have an abortion is very different to discriminatory, government restrictions on the reproductive rights of poor black women.
no, you're implying that there is some necessary inconsistency between promoting abortion because it reduces crime, and not promoting discriminatory and coercive restrictions on a woman's choice to reproduce. this is not true.
he hates black people (partly) because they commit more crime, so the end result is still the same. The fact that wanting less of the people that commit more crime is called hating black people when and only when it comes from conservatives is kind of the point
no it isn't. people do care whether someone's opinions derive from prejudice. you seem to have misinterpreted what i've said, so let me reiterate. this hypothetical conservative is not called black-hating because he encourages black women to have abortions; he encourages black women to have abortions to have abortions because he doesn't like black people. the end result is quite distinct from a liberal who does not hate blacks, and promotes bodily autonomy irrespective of race.
yes, that was my point as well. it is quite reasonable to prefer to hear arguments for the rights of animals from Peter Singer than it is from Hitler, though both are proponents of such rights. and that's okay.
an excellent strawman if ever there was one.
destruction of a foetus already constitutes an offence
Would you be able to show me the act please?
the words "an offence" in my post are a hyperlink to the relevant section of the crimes act that defines grievous bodily harmWould you be able to show me the act please?
Thanks! Will have a look!
Hold your horses bro, I'm pro-choice and understand all of those points you raised. I just disagree with that specific justification that crime rates are lowered because that generation was aborted and therefore abortion should be legalised.
Indeed. But as I said in previous posts, you have to look at the provision in the context of the Act and its purposes to determine the specific function of the law. This law is separate from any law to abort (or not to abort) but could possibly have future impact on the whole debate. Taken away from the context of the Act, the law could be said to protect abortion rights, however, considering the circumstances of its enactment, it stands to give legal rights to unborn foetuses which thus holds the future possibility of criminalising abortion as it could be seen to constitute a crime similar to murder.
Thanks! I had a vague idea that it was already part of the law which is partly why I'm a little confused about this whole law.
the new law (Zoe's law) gives legal rights to a foetus (that is, a > 20 week old child in utero is now a 'living person'). under zoe's law, an offender may now be liable for homicide of a foetus, as distinct from destruction of a foetus as harm to the mother (the current state of the law).