How bad is English Standard really? (1 Viewer)

[iJimmy]

So teachers say do what you can perform best in so it would be human nature to undertake the easiest option available, right? But so why does everyone seem to hate the fact that they chose English standard and they exaggerate the negative effect it's scaling will have on their atar? How bad is it really scaling wise?

 

[hawkrider]

Yeah, it's the aligning which what makes Standard English terrible. Regardless, do not do it.

YOU WILL REGRET IT!

 

[IcyRain]

Last year only 0.51% of the state got a band 6 in standard
Whereas 12.58% of the state got a band 6 in advanced

The courses are similar, and you can always drop down, but you can't go up.

 

[iJimmy]

what is better rank wise:

rank 5/200 std english
rank 10/50 adv english

rank 100 school

 

[D94]

what is better rank wise:

rank 5/200 std english
rank 10/50 adv english

rank 100 school

Not enough information. You could be 1% behind first place for standard, whereas 30% behind in advanced; or vice-versa. Both may yield completely different HSC results. You can't quantify a rank because marks determine your rank; ranks do not determine your marks.

Being 5/200 does not necessarily put you in a better position than being 10/50; or vice-versa. Also, you are comparing 2 different subjects and 2 different cohorts, so it's not as simple as saying one or the other.

 

[Chronost]

My school is around 80s, my friend who was ranked 7/58 got low 70s,and someone who was ranked around 50/65 for advanced english got the same english mark,that's how bad it was.

 

[Phaze]

Apparently these marks got an ATAR of 97. Did standard english. https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1518890_565417173538567_425786350_o.jpg

 

[hawkrider]

Apparently these marks got an ATAR of 97. Did standard english. https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1518890_565417173538567_425786350_o.jpg

They are in the minority who did well in Standard English.

 

[anomalousdecay]

Apparently these marks got an ATAR of 97. Did standard english. https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1518890_565417173538567_425786350_o.jpg

Goes and posts another BOS'ers marks :/

Yeah it was above 97.

There is nothing wrong with scaling in Standard. However, aligning is horrendous.

Getting a raw mark worth 85 in standard is the equivalent of a raw mark that gets a 93ish in Advanced.

Scaling is pretty much the exact same though.

 

[iJimmy]

what if you do std english as a 12th unit?

 

[iJimmy]

or does 2 units of english always count, no matter if it was in your best 10 or not?

 

[hawkrider]

2 units of English always counts.

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[iJimmy]

even if you get like 0 in it?

 

[Drifting95]

They are in the minority who did well in Standard English.

hehehe that's me.

I would strongly recommend doing advanced if you had the ability for 85 + in standard, it would yield much better results. I didn't do advanced because:
1. I didn't know how drastic the difference is in aligning for standard and advanced
2. I was recommended to do standard
3. I thought advanced was significantly more difficult

Reflecting back, If i had done advanced i estimated that i'd be looking at a high 80 or possibly 90 anyway. According to the raw mark database, an 87 is roughly 82/100 raw for standard, compare this to the band 6 cut off for advanced that is in the mid 70s and this highlights the massive difference between each subject.

 

[gwilymprice]

2 units of English must be included

 

[Drifting95]

even if you get like 0 in it?

Yes, english will ALWAYS count as 2 units for your atar.

 

[iJimmy]

my friend gets like 70 in english std, and mid 80s in other subs, how will it affect her atar?

 

[hawkrider]

my friend gets like 70 in english std, and mid 80s in other subs, how will it affect her atar?

Drastically.

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[Recondit]

The difference between 85 and 80 is huge enough as it is

 

[iJimmy]

these are ranks and marks

school rank 90

english std 30/100 72%
eco 12/50 78%
math 2u 5/60 91%
math ex 1 15/40 81%
chem 15/40 82%
physics 19/50 76%